F***-off

Give it ten years. Calzaghe and Mayweather Jr will get the respect they deserve. But until then, we'll have to put up with this hateful nonsense.

 

I was a Mayweather fan until he retired without fighting Cotto when Cotto was undefeated. Mayweather vs Cotto for the unify ww titles while both were undefeated would have been a mega fight but instead Mayweather went other direction and retired for 21 month.

 

Mayweather "Mosley? Mosley who lost to Cotto. Cotto who lost to Margarito. These guys are all beating each other. But no one has beat Floyd Mayweather."

Motha****a, you havent fought any of these guys yet. :rofl

 

I don't question what Floyd has accomplished up until now. He's an ATG 130-135 fighter and you can make a strong argument about how he stands All Time at 140. However at 147 there are still challengers who await him. It kills me how everyone assumes he will beat everyone and therefore doesn't need them. He DOES need them to back up his claims as the GOAT and better than ATGs such as Ali and SRR and the fearsome five(Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez) He needs to do what all the greats did before him and erase all doubts IN THE RING and not in his mind.

I don't think anyone saw Schmeling beating Louis, Duran beating Leonard, Honeyghan beating Curry, or Stracey beating Napoles. but those fighters fought the best and though they lost they lost fighting the best available and there is no shame in that. That's what fighters are expected to do. And if Floyd closes out his career cleaning out welterweight than that is icing on his cake

 

Floyd was the clear favorite to beat both Hatton and Baldomir even after a mountain of English fanboy money

 

Its not that he is a twat, its that he doesn't fight the most potentially dangerous opponents

he could be the biggest twat in the world and people would begrudgingly respect him if he took out the Cotto / Pac winner and then the Mosley / Berto winner and followed that up by dominating welter for the next few years.

 

HA HA HA that quote is f*ckin hilarious.

"But no one has beat Floyd Mayweather."

You won't fight them three guys because they beat each other?

What, you forgot you fought Mitchell at welterweight? And Zab judah, he lost to Tszyu before right?

:!: :nut someone's living in Crazy World :rofl

 

Sure, because in ten years Baldomir and Mitchell will get all the respect they haven't had all these years :!:

Floyd's record at 147

Mitchell
Judah
Baldomir
Hatton
Marquez

Yup, let it stew for a while, who knows, these "top" "welterweights" will enhance Floyd's record and make him even more "highly regarded" than he is now :yep

 

Just like he'd be the clear favorite against Cotto, Pacquaio and Mosley. What the **** is your point?

 

what? People have been screaming for years "at the time" every time Fraud makes another BS fight. You are the one with the revisionist history which is ironic considering you are accusing others of doing it.

Nobody questions his resume at 130. Why are you even bringing this up? Because you know you will run out of ammunition after 135....

And that was his last super elite pound for pound worthy fight of Mayweather.

So what is the logic here? You are saying that Floyd was an underdog? He wasn't. You are saying that Gatti was the elite and best at 140? He wasn't. Mayweather himself called him a C level club fighter. Was Mayweather not the clear betting favorite?

You are basically taking a small segment of the population and trying to pretend that that is the common belief. Judah just took the L and Floyd still fought him. You can't see how that might be frustrating to fans? In retrospect, Judah was the far more dangerous opponent, at least for awhile, and Floyd fought them both, but neither fight when they were made were considered super fights - I'm not saying he shouldn't have fought them, just that he has avoided the major challenges above 135 for the most part.

Again, its not so bad that he fought who he fought, its who he overlooked. There were key moments where he could have chosen the higher more exciting and dangerous path and he chose not to take it. Do I blame him? He made a ton of money and its quite possible he would have lost vs a more dangerous fighter and not made as much, or won and made even more, he chose to avoid the risks and it makes sense, considering his style of fighting and his size.

Floyd had to move up but was pound for pound king, Oscar was past it but a great fighter. You are seriously trying to equate Floyd going from 147 to 154 as the same thing as JMM who already looked small at 135, and who is easily the older fighter, hell, OLD, for a fighter, and the fact that at his age he can still make 126 not long ago easily shows how small framed he is, you are seriously saying going from a blown up 135 all the way to 144, and then on top of that, having Floyd change the game the last week, and being allowed to come in at 146 but JMM still has to come in at 144, this is the same thing as a younger prime Floyd moving up one division to fight an older out of prime Oscar? :hi:

Where do you come up with this stuff? OH yeah, I remember that wave of posts...."Floyd has never fought a Euro brawler" yeah, I think that was the headline on ESPN boxing for about two months atsch

of course Hatton had his and it was an interesting fight, but we saw Hatton nearly get knocked out by Collazo at 47 a weight he said he would not go back to, come on, this was not the biggest fight out there for Floyd in terms of pound for pound supremacy or wetlerweight supremacy thats for sure, still I dn't blame him for taking this fight or Oscar or Baldo or Gatti or Judah but he never fought the prime winning welters of his time, he never went after the dangerous guy that everyone wanted to see him fight in that magic moment in time - well, Oscar was probably his most dangerous fight above 135 in terms of what the perception was, so to be fair, that had some risk to it and he almost lost, but in general he hasn't gone for it legacy wise or pound for pound wise above 135.

Why are we supposed to praise him for fighting a 135 pound fighter. I get that it his first fight back but this isn't at pound for pound level fight.
So would it have been better if Cotto fought freaking Valero and Oscar fought Hatton? **** that almost happened :nut

De La Hoya was an SD, Hatton was clearly not a welter, JMM was blown up at LIGHTWEIGHT let alone WELTER against a guy who changed the weight at the last minute.....etc....nobody is saying Mayweather is not a great fighter, obviously he is a great fighter, he just didn't accept the greatest challenges of his era, we don't know how good he is above 135 because he never tested himself against the best out there, he never fought the prime winning welters of his era

no no no

every damn time Mayweather makes a fight there are always three or four other guys out there we wish he would fight instead, that is the problem. A problem you don't get with Pacquiao - at least not consistently.

Another thing you fail to mention is that Mayweather's retirement was a way to duck out of all the hard fights and a big giant black mark in the middle of his career right in his prime he simply ducked out of the game and let all the tough welters fight each other, than runs his mouth saying well this guy lost to that guy and that guy last to the other guy and the other guy last to the first guy

WHO IN THE HELL AS A BOXING FAN WANTS TO HEAR THIS HORSE****

go out there and fight the fights there are so many welters i would like to see him matched up against

 

Seriously you are that stupid? Did you read the post I was responding to?

 

No, it seems you're still as stupid as you were in your Doghouse days though, making bold statements about how you were a great and able better but ultimately failing everytime you made a bet that wasn't status quo.

Talking about Floyd being the clear favorite to win fights as a reason to knock his achievements is absolutely stupid. Floyd will never NOT be the clear favorite unless he goes to 160.

Paul Williams at best represents an even money fight at 154 but even then, Floyd would still become favorite before fight night, disputing that shows a complete ****ing lack of any knowledge around boxing and bookmaking - something I already knew about you.

 

The title should be "The twio phases in the career of Mayweather" and not "The DOUBLE STANDARD of the Career of Floyd Mayweather".

Mayweather is undoubtably one of the most talented fighters today but his career has basically two phases and the divisding line is very distinct, and straight forward.

There is a Mayweather at 135 and below and there is another one at 140 and above.

The first one is the fighter who took risk and challenged himself while the second one was contented to fight the least amount of risk.

 

Give it up mate, some guys choose to be dense.

It is by choice, right? :nut

 

All my bets are posted here and there at doghouse, add them up I'm up for the year and I have made some big risky bets that pulled through - they usually do, you must have missed my thread right herre predicting and betting on Hatton loses to Pac by KO 2 or my one at doghouse calling and betting Pav over Taylor KO 7. You must be someone I humiliated in the past who shamed his way on another forum with a new nick. Something I don't need to do. If you get the balls, make a thread and keep it updated for years on end like I do and post your bets, I'm waiting. My record is there for anyone to see and its a winning record.

You are so ****ing stupid you don't even have the patience to go back and read the post I responded to, taking what I said entirely out of context. Odds are one indicator of the public's perception of risk in a fight. It is revisionist history to go back and say that Floyd took fights that were considered extremely dangerous at the time, sure every fight had an element of danger some more than others, every fight does, but they weren't the most dangerous fights out there. I'm not using the fight odds as a way to knock his achievements, but instead, as a way to illustrate to the thread starter that he is painting an inaccurate picture of the public perception of the fight at the time. People weren't thinking Floyd was walking into hell in those fights. Sure, there was some promotion and attempts to build interest in the fights, but the OP is incorrectly stating the mood at the time of the fight.

I think you can fight an entire career and be favored most of the time and be fighting very dangerous fights, but that isn't the case here, at least above 135.