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Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by darryl1914, Sep 26, 2009.


  1. darryl1914

    darryl1914 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The sad part is the large number of posters mentioning race....which is something I never did. I simply stated why Jones and Hopkins will be MORE respected then Calzaghe...IMO.

    Their body of work is more impressive. Why would a Title Holder since 1997 like Calzaghe spend 11 years fighting NO-ONE of any real significance until Jones and Hopkins (11 years Later).

    Yet Mayweather gets SH!T for retiring at the HEIGHT of the welterweight division...But people have NO problem with Calzaghe "RUNNING AWAY" at a time when 168lbs - 175lbs is loaded (Authur Abraham, Carl Froch, Andre Ward, Andre Direll, Tavoris Cloud, Chad Dawson, Allan Green, Jermaine Taylor, LiBrade Andrade, Lucian Bute).

    At NO time did I call Calzaghe a poor fighter - nor a bum. But there are GLARING holes in his resume.
     
  2. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Yet you won't answer the facts above.

    Why did Hopkins pull out of a 2002 fight?
    Why did Jones Jr refuse to fight him in 1999?
    Why did Ottke refuse a $1 fight in his own country?
     
  3. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Floyd is 32.
    Calzaghe is almost 38.

    Calzaghe beat the best of those fighters in Mikkel Kessler. When Kessler cleans out the Super 6, then what?
     
  4. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Didn't Calzaghe mention in his own biography that he didn't want to meet Jones in his prime ? It's in the book !!
     
  5. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    The passage indicated that Jones Jr was the best fighter in the world and who Calzaghe thought was an all time great, that he thinks Jones jr was the only guy that had the potential to beat him but he would have loved the fight, then he said the Jones Jr that was washed up and past his prime should no longer be boxing - that's why he took the heat he did when he signed to fight him.
     
  6. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's also a video somewhere mentioning Calzaghe was more responsible than Warren for not taking the toughest challenges available...including Jones !
     
  7. darryl1914

    darryl1914 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have a several posters that I know personally...And they have been with ESB for awhile. And the first thing they told me:

    "Using logic and common sense mixed with a well-thought arguement and opinon...makes no difference to 80% of the ESB Crowd. All they will do is attack you personally with insults about your country, language or race.
    Just recognized the really knowledgeable fight fans who enjoy sharing creative thought and opinions about the sports and interact only with them!!!....Its kind of like being in a crowded place and networking with Educated People...But there is also a ton of "******ED CHILDREN" running around....IGNORE THEM".
     
  8. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Please, tell me how many times Hopkins fought outside of his home country.
     
  9. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tell us how you really feel Scar. I mean c'mon dude, you're still holding it against Joe that Lacy and Kessler travelled to him? :lol:

    As I've always posted, there's more parallels with Hopkins and Calzaghe than either man have with Jones. Jones fought the best competition out of the 3, moved up and had success in multiple classes before he was past his prime, and tested himself- beating Ruiz still trumps anything Calzaghe and Hopkins have done in my book despite that I think highly of the other two fighters.

    You can try to nitpick the differences between Hopkins and Calzaghe, but a couple random ABC champs doesn't equal the disparity you've got between Hopkins and Calzaghe considering each man waited a significant period of time (years) before unification, had gimme defenses between their great performances, and negotiated fights to their maximum benefit. That's how both men were managed. And, both men made the most out of it.
     
  10. EL CABALLO

    EL CABALLO Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep.... his biggest holes being beating HOPS + Jones ... Can u give the man his due credit??!! F**K, I forgot he's white and he just beat 2 black guys...:| that's wrong and is not supposed to happen, right?:admin
     
  11. Smazz20

    Smazz20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can't believe Calzaghe has been accused of avoiding Ward, Dirrell, Abraham, Miranda etc....****ing hell.
     
  12. Pusnuts

    Pusnuts Active Member Full Member

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    Puglistic Power is on the money IMO, people just dont get what Calzaghe is about. Hes as tough as Arturo Gatti except doesnt get hit in the face as much, why else would someone lacking big power be such an aggressive fighter? Who comes back hard when knocked down.
    This is a guy who in his early 20s beat Chris Eubank with complete confidence and was in his prime before he beat Jeff Lacy. When he came to US he couldnt throw with as much power and he was in his mid-late 30s ffs.
    Jones was past his best but Hopkins was still near the top and in any case Hopkins would have probably ducked him had he been at 168 instead of 160. Hopkins and Jones both knew they could avoid such a risky fight thanks to the ignorance of the American public.
    I think frank Warren didnt help either which is why Calzaghe cut him and made the fights himself. Warren should have perhaps done more to chase Jones but Roy obviously wanted no part of Calzaghe while he could rest on his fans ignorance of him.
     
  13. darryl1914

    darryl1914 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hmmm...everywhere I go....You "FOLLOW" me around saying the SAME SH!T.

    It appears, that I have made quite the impression on you.

    There is an old saying:


    "Large minds use IDEAS - Medium minds use OPINIONS -

    AND SMALL MINDS USE INSULTS"



     
  14. Pusnuts

    Pusnuts Active Member Full Member

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    He has a good point, if Calzaghe was a black guy and a bit more street instead of from a Welsh village, more Americans in particular would believe him to be the business.
     
  15. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The initial point was that Jones still did more than Calzaghe if we take away the ''ifs'' and ''would haves'' and ''could haves''...

    It doesn't change the fact that Calzaghe was a great talent, he just didn't push it enough to challenge himself like Roy did, even if Jones could have done much more with his own also !