F*** You Emanuel Steward!!!

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  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep, I used the F word! The HOF trainer gave an interview to the NYPost on the Margarito situation, which, at this moment, is still under investigation and there's no official statement yet whether Margarito did or did not do anything wrong. At this point, everything in the media is just based on speculation. But that didn’t prevent Steward give his interview:

    "He's tainted everything he has done," Hall of Fame trainer and HBO broadcaster Emanuel Steward said yesterday. "Now you've got a situation where every fighter that he has fought is wondering, 'Did he do that to me?' I hate this happened because it makes it where there are questions about everybody he has fought."

    Margarito, 30, turned pro when he was 15, but has only recently reached the mega-bout status, including a career-defining victory over Miguel Cotto last July in Las Vegas. Margarito wore down the previously unbeaten Cotto, battering him into a bloody mess in 11 rounds. Now the question is whether Margarito had loaded wraps for that fight, too. "Now the biggest victory of his career is being questioned," Steward said.

    Margarito's dominance over Cotto was one reason a record crowd of 20,820 fans filled the Staples Center for the Mosley fight. But after the two hardened blocks were discovered by Mosley's trainer Naazim Richardson, Margarito had no chance against Mosley, losing by TKO in the ninth round. Coincidence? "I can't see how somebody with all these inspectors let something like that go over their heads," Steward said.




    First of all, I'm repeating myself: there's still no official decision on this subject. Margarito might be guilty, but until that is proven by commission officials, you, Manny Steward, just cannot give an interview stating "He's tainted everything he has done,". Court cases usually follow statements like this.

    I've lost tons of respect for Steward. HBO crew shouldn’t have jumped on the simple rumor anyway. Fact was Margarito's hands weren't wrapped properly, and there was something that might be illegal, something, that might give an advantage if used, and that's what the commission is investigating in these days. And the commission is silent as it should be: they'll have an official decision when they are done, and up to that point, it’s all speculation. So why would HBO jump on the subject anyway?

    NYPost deserves a f*ck you! too. Stating that "now the question is whether Margarito had loaded wraps for that fight, too" is absolutely stupid as Margarito never had illegal wraps for the Mosley fight, as they rewrapped it for f's sake! And again: whether he intended to use ‘loaded gloves’ is still just speculation, so why would anyone at this moment question his previous fights? The NSAC never had any problems with Margarito's wraps back in July, for a simple fact. So speculating whether that commission did it's job wrong or even corruption was involved (that’s logical next step if you question previous Margarito fights), is stupid.

    Emanuel Steward is a well-known Sugar Shane Mosley fan (as well as the whole HBO crew), but he shouldn't act like a Mosley fan in the expert commentator rule, where his job is unbiased commentary. And guess what, it's not speculation, but a fact that SSM used illegal substances for the 2nd DLH fight, and I don't remember Manny 'HOF' Steward stating that "He's tainted everything he has done" - when Mosley clearly did that. Or “Now you've got a situation where every fighter that he has fought is wondering, 'Did he do that to me?' I hate this happened because it makes it where there are questions about everybody he has fought.”

    Whether Shane knew what he did was illegal is absolutely irrelevant, just as in the case of Margarito, violating the rules is violating the rules. But the difference HUGE: while Mosley DID use illegal substances (evidence in court), whether Margarito used loaded gloves or not is just speculation at this moment, when Mosley fan Emanuel Stweard gave his interview. He shouldn't make a blemishing statements based on speculation, especially when he kept his mouth shut in Mosley's case.

    Tons of respect lost for you, Manny Steward! I don't think I have any left. F*ck you!
     
  2. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    He's not jumping to conclusions. He's merely stating what other people are thinking, and the fact that this situation has emerged anyway, people will always have there doubts.

    Lay off him, he's only saying what the majority of people are going to be thinking. Even if you aren't sure whether or not he's guilty, the speculation does still make you question, you can't definitively say that he isn't guilty.
     
  3. dubztep

    dubztep The Original Dub Full Member

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    whats wrong with what he said? he's right, fighters and fight fans are wondering if he used it in previous fights, though he has not been proven guilty, where did the substance come from? it didnt jus come out of thin air and end up in his wraps now come on......
     
  4. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "He's tainted everything he has done,"

    Tell me that doesn't sound like a conclusion.
     
  5. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

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    I'm not a big fan of Emmanuel Steward. I always thought he was a front-runner as a trainer. HOWEVER, he's merely stating what is on the minds of many people.
     
  6. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    so many different reports who knows what to believe....

    first, it was a hard piece of something....
    then it was just extra gauze...
    now i just read on espn that it was gauze with a little bit of gray on it...


    back to the old interweb rule...


    PICS OR STFU !!!
     
  7. KayEpps

    KayEpps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    HBO Commentators are usually bais towards HBO Fighters and Shane is an HBO Fighter.

    Is Manny wrong for what he said - No. It's an opinion and he's more than welcomed to give his. Whether or not Margarito is guilty of anything - the one thing we do know is that - there was something in his glove the night he fought Mosley. Other than that - everything else is speculation. Is Margarito's Legacy tarnished - "What Legacy?" He just really made a name for himself - outside of the Boxing Community.

    At least we know going forward that his gloves will be checked thoroughly - so if he continues to beat guys like he was - what will we think about him then?

    Alot of people are jumping the gun on this one - but an opinion is simply an opinion.
     
  8. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Okay, an example.

    You are a famous school teacher. On TV, a biased person, who heard some rumor you might did something bad, accuses you for child molestation. Investigation begins behind doors. But as it was said on TV, huge speculations are flying over the media that you are a child molester f*ck. And then a respected, although biased senator states: "You have tainted" - like this, like it's a fact "everything you have done", and "Now you've got a situation" - stating like it's a fact - "where every parent is wondering, 'Did he do that to my child too?' I hate this happened because it makes it where there are questions about everybody he has taught in all these years."

    So tell me... at this moment, as being gulity is absolutely not proved, how does that qoute make your reputation look? :think
     
  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I couldn't agree more with Steward and I rarely agree with anything he says. Margo's career has to be called into question. I suspect he started cheating after the Rodney Jones fight to get an edge.
     
  10. M.I.G.

    M.I.G. and STILL... Full Member

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    I don't think Steward said anything too outta line, here. Tainting doesn't mean destroyed, it means to blemish. The fact is, Margarito's camp did blemish his record because there will be a dark cloud over his accomplishments until he is proven innocent.

    I do agree that the media is being way harder on Margarito than they were with Mosley. Margo has an interview today - if he admits to using bad wraps, will he be forgiven as easily as Mosley was?

    Probably not.
     
  11. ralphc

    ralphc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Unfortunately Steward has a habit of talking out his ass.
     
  12. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

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    You're talking about a 12-year stretch man. Surely an opposing trainer or an official would have found something within that time frame. I don't like the fact that this issue came up but I'm not gonna discredit a fighter's career until there are hard facts. The thing is we'll never really know unless Antonio were to admit to something so everything is speculation right now. The real body of evidence is last Saturday so right now that is all we have to go on.
     
  13. liljp361

    liljp361 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    r u kidding? whether he intended to use them or not? HE HAD ONE GLOVE WRAPPED AND READY TO USE!!!
     
  14. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Stewards comments - along with those of fellow HBO shill Jim Lampley - are completely irresponsible, and exactly what is wrong with the reaction of the boxing community to this incident. The proof is not in - and Margarito is innocent until PROVEN guilty!
     
  15. Manny Steward can say whatever he wants he's earned the right to tell it like it is:deal ....
    Margarito can kiss his career goodbye after the hard beating he took and getting caught trying to cheat call into question all of his previous accomplishments, :-(
    **** Margarito i hope they ban him from boxing..