Face facts here people.... Calzaghe's record is no better than B-HOP's..

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  1. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hopkins' opposition..

    Felix Trinidad - Held the WBA MW title. Often simplified to just being a " blown-up WW ", yet people seem to forget how he annihilated WBA middleweight champion William Joppy and gave him his only career KO. And people ALSO seem to forget how much of a destructive force Trinidad was at the time. So save the " blown up " BS.

    De La Hoya - If you want to have a better case for one of B-HOP's opponents being " blown up " then DLH is your better choice, as DLH actually showed legitimate struggles at 160, as seen with his performance against Sturm.

    Glen Johnson - Picked Johnson to pieces, giving him his only career stoppage in the process.

    Howard Eastman - Good fighter, long-time leading contender in the middleweight division.

    Keith Holmes - WBC champion

    Winky Wright - admittedly was a bit out of his ideal weight, but hadn't diminished any of Wright's principle skill, plus Hopkins was FORTY-TWO!

    Antonio Tarver - often dismissed as some piece of ****, but what numbnut ****faces seem to be overlooking was that he was a legitimate champion in the LHW division, holds wins not only over Jones but also Glen Johnson, Montell Griffin, Eric Harding, and Reggie Johnson. So please.. enough with the one-hit wonder BS.

    Hopkins' notability - IBF champion for 10 years, undisputed middleweight champion, HELD ON to every one of his belts until losing disputedly to Taylor.

    Calzaghe's opposition..

    Jeff Lacy - IBF champion, and was a legitimate threat to anyone in the division at the time.

    Mikkel Kessler - WBA/WBC champion, great fighter, undefeated for a very long time, Calzaghe's best win thus far.

    Omar Sheika - Most notable win before losing to Calzaghe was against Glen Johnson, and did little to nothing after losing to Calzaghe.

    Chris Eubank - a faded version of a once very good fighter.

    Robin Reid - A good fighter, but built up to be much more due to a controversial loss to Sven ****in' Ottke.

    Byron Mitchell - good fighter, WBA champion.

    Calzaghe's notability - undisputed champion, and like Hopkins held all four major belts ( although on seperate occasions ).


    I made this thread mainly to show everyone who likes to argue over who has the better resume that when looking at things closely that both fighters' resume are practically dead even with one another. Both were the undisputed kings of their respective divisions, both took on the best available fighters in their division, and both fought some great, some good, and some decent opposition. Calzaghe's opposition was not super-human as compared to Hopkins' as most of Calzaghe's faithful following likes to hype them up as.
     
  2. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I agree - Hopkins has the better resume
     
  3. rusticraver

    rusticraver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But in the Kessler win Calzaghe schooled a PRIME PRIME fighter at the age of 35, showing a wide range of offensive skills. I don't just look at recordwhen i judge Joe. His skillset is immense and dazzling to watch.

    I rate him over Bhop but slightly below prime RJJ
     
  4. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How old was B-HOP again when he schooled Trinidad? Wait, forget that.. how old was B-HOP when he schooled Tarver?
     
  5. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm claiming they're about dead even, actually.
     
  6. rusticraver

    rusticraver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Trinidad too small Tarver ****
     
  7. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    :patsch Didn't see the bottom part.

    In that case, Hopkins has the better resume:lol: (but not by much)
     
  8. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Eubank old Lacy ****

    See, I can play that game too
     
  9. rusticraver

    rusticraver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I remember eing worried about lacy from all the Tyson hype, it was probably te most embarrasing beat dow i've ever seen. almost felt sorry for him. IT begs the question how many fighters from 160-175 could have done what Calzaghe did?
     
  10. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    None - Calzaghe is unbelievable. His resume isn't as good as Bernard's, but head to head, I think he's better.
     
  11. G_RapPBF

    G_RapPBF Well-Known Member Full Member

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    calzaghe hasnt fought anyone in his entire career. If Kessler and friggin Lacy are the best fightes on his ticket when he retires aint nobody gonna give a **** once that happens.
     
  12. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Mikkel Kessler is one of the best fighters in boxing and has a very good chance to make a great legacy.

    It's one of those wins that could appreciate more with time. Similar to Jones win over Hopkins (except Hopkins wasn't as accomplished as Kessler)
     
  13. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins lost to Jermain Taylor though and I dont see how Calzaghe would lose to him.
     
  14. inchpunch

    inchpunch Active Member Full Member

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    Hmmm...where is the loss against a good, but clearly not great Taylor here...?

    The difference between the two is that Hopkins has a legit loss in a winnable fight and a very unconvincing win against a undersized Winky...Calzaghe was never close to losing, Hopkins was a few times. No shame in losing to a prime RJJ, but he underperformed against Taylor and Winky, something that never happened to Calzaghe. Records and resumes need to be looked at beyond numbers only.
     
  15. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    His win over Winky was " unconvincing " yet Taylor's win was legit? :huh

    And once again, you seem to be forgetting that Hopkins beat Winky at 42 years of age, and he was also someone whom people were touting as a top 10 P4P fighter.