Fact: Hopkins KO Tito, Roy UD12 Ruiz for P4P#1 - why Hatton KO Pac isn't good enough?

Because Floyd is back!

 

lol

 

Because there's a guy named Juan Manuel Marquez...who is rated by some as the very best fighter RIGHT NOW.

 

Because when that happened Hopkins and RJJ had achieved alot more than Hatton had, and were near enough p4p no.1 at the time if I'm not mistaken, Hatton just gets into the Top 10.

 

It kinda used to annoy me when hatton kept going on about the mythical p4p title but im coming around now to the fact that if he beats the best fighter in the world-pacman-why cant he have the 'title'.

 

First off, Roy was being labeled P4P #1 way, WAY before he ever fought Ruiz. I got into boxing bigtime in 2001, and it was already a foregone conclusion by the time I got into the game. P4P is all subject to opinion, but there were plenty of people saying Jones was the best back in 2001 and 2002, and he was widely promoted by HBO as the best fighter on their network.


Hopkins vs Tito, and the hype before it was one of the fights that made me a boxing fan. But really, Hopkins shocked a bunch of people with that win and it greatly elevated his status as a great fighter, but the majority of writers and a bunch of fans didn't make proclaim him as #1 after it. It was debated back and forth for a few years, and it wasn't really until after Jones was Ko'd vs Tarver, that the majority declared Hops as #1. And then that majority swung to Floyd after Taylor got the decision against Hopkins.


The examples you gave strengthened the case for both fighters, but neither was an isolated incident that skyrocketed a #5 fighter into the #1 spot.

 

Just PLEASE tell me you're not comparing what Manny Pacquaio has achieved to that of Tito and Roy Jones at their respective careers.:scaredas:.....

That's TOTAL apples and orangesatsch

It's also the "eye" test FOOL and you're just spitting out numbers............If that's the case Manny only received his #1 P4P status by DEFAULT thus making him the WORST EVER Ring p4p champ....

And I LOVE Manny, just don't use no damn formulas, this is boxing:nono

 

I think it has to do a lot on perspective, if Hatton schools Pacquiao (which I doubt) then it would be fair to say that he will break into the top 5 if its a controversial win then it would be up for debate. Hopkins schooled Trinidad before stopping him in the 12th so the obvious reaction was to put him up there. Roy made history and the reaction was obvious.

 

no way in this world would hatton be ranked number 1 p4p even if he knocked pacquiao out in the 1st round.

hatton has been a 140 pounder his entire carear bar his very fortunate victory at 147 v collazo and getting absoloutely demolished at 147 v mayweather. basically hatton is a one weight fighter, he cannot transfer his undoubted pedigree at light-welterweight in different weight divisions.

manny pacquiao has won world titles in 5 weight divisions
- flyweight - 107 lbs
- super bantamweight
- featherweight
- super featherweight
- lightweight

when manny beat oscar de la hoya (non world title fight) he skipped another 2 weight divisions (unbelievable) to fight at welterweight (147 lbs).

manny has fought from 107 lbs to 147lbs and transfered his pedigree up all those weights. he has won world titles over a span of 3 stones which is one of the most incredible achievements in boxing history.

its the equivelant of hatton moving up to the light heavyweight division and beating calzaghe or hopkins.

manny in this fight is fighting at 140lbs for the 1st time in his career, the fact that manny is considered favourite in this fight is staggering because hatton has such a big natural weight advantage its untrue. no matter what hatton does in this fight he could never ever ever rank higher than manny in the p4p list.

hatton could never go above marquez either who has convincingly won world titles at
- featherweight
- super featherweight
- lightweight
- super lightweight

and now wants to fight the winner of manny/hatton at welterweight.

paul williams is a welter weight who has just beat winky wright at middleweight

mayweather won 5 world titles in 5 different weight divisions.

hopkins has transfered his pedigree through 3 weight divisions.

hatton could never rank above these sort of fighters in the p4p rankings and i know its getting on the tits of thousands of educated boxing fans about the way hatton is talking about the p4p title being transferable in this fight - it doesn't work that way, and he needs stop talking out of his ar$e about it.


btw i am a massive hatton fan but this whole subject is annoying me.

 

Bingo !

:thumbsup

 

It was a humor based comment, but either way, I think if Ricky stops Pacquiao impressively (like B-Hop over Trinidad) he has a very strong argument. But merely beating him at 140lbs doesn't seem enough in my eyes. Although Roach said 140lbs is Pacquiao's best weight right now, I don't think it is his absolute best weight, which is how p4p rankings are suposed to be measured, and not jumping from division to division. Don't get me wrong, jumping weight classes is one of the best ways to establish your argument of p4p, but it's not truly what the argument is about. :good