Fact: Hopkins KO Tito, Roy UD12 Ruiz for P4P#1 - why Hatton KO Pac isn't good enough?

If someone like carlos baldomir was fighting pac for pacs tune up fight and he ran in in the first round and shouted KOKI KAMEDA and threw a haye maker at pac knocking him out in the first round. will you be willing to call baldomir P4P #1???

I think P4P shouldnt be determined by 1 fight.

 

I agree with you on this, but Hatton is in the top 10 (according to the Ring) he is not a Baldomir.

 

You make some very good points.

IMO, in the last two years Hatton has beaten top-ranked Luis Castillo (past his prime) lost to the no.1 P4P fighter, beaten a fringe contender, beaten the no.2 in his division (and by all rights, was effectively the IBF champion)

If he beats Pac, he will by close to the top for me. I have him at no.8 already. Hatton is hated by many, but as a guy who has beaten many top contenders in his division, is a two-weight champ (regardless of the Collazo result, he did win that title and there have been worse robberies that have still elevated a fighters status) and is going in with the P4P no.1 for the 2nd time in two years.

I refuse to believe that is simply because Hatton sells tickets. It's partly the reason, but if Hatton wasn't a top fighter people would be laughing these fights out of the building.

He doesn't have a chance just because he is bigger than Pac. The mooted match between Pac and Chavez Jr at 154 lbs, no one would ever give Junior a chance in this fight. Why? Because it's clear he isn't of the same calibre an opponent for Pac, who spars better fighters.

So, Hatton is very much one of the top-fighters P4P, with this win the shift in my list would be as follows.

1) Marquez
2) B-Hop
3) Hatton
4) Pac

Now, B-Hop needs to fight competitively soon. If the fight with Tito is signed, Hatton moves to two and Pac moves to three, mainly because Hopkins intentions are laid out with that fight; it's money. The P4P list is the best competitive fighters across all the weights who are fighting good opposition NOW or VERY RECENTLY. That is my understanding of it.

Effectively, the mooted Hatton-Marquez fight would be for the Official P4P 1 spot, unless Pac quickly beats Valero (warm-up) and Mayweather (no chance!) in which case they would effectively be fighting for no.2








All of this means nothing and Hatton may very well have his career ended on Saturday night. I'll be rooting for Ricky and I think he has the best chance out of anyone at 140 to beat Pac. I just can't see it happening, Pac will be in and out, in and out, and will cut Ricky to shreds by the fifth, by which points he will start piling on the pressure with combinations and force a stoppage.


IMO

 

When he beats pac he will be at least number 3.
If he can get jmm after and when he beats him he will be number 1.

 

I'd giva hatton a fair chance of becoming P4P number 1 depending on how he beats pac. If he does what froch did to taylor then NO NO. But if he out boxes and stop him like Pac did to dela hoya then Deffinately deserves it.

 

One thing I'd like to ask is, would Hatton have become no.1 if he'd remained undefeated and beaten Floyd?

Hatton is still in the top 10 now (as he was then) hasn't lost since Mayweather, and is going up against the no.1 again. Should he win, ould he not be no.1

Surely if guys move up and down the rankings for fighting other champions and contenders, two guys fighting in the P4P list would surely move up, and one guy in the top 10 against the no.1 would surely move to no.1???? Not because of maths, but because he must be the best fighter on the World.

Already amongst the top 10, just beat the no.1

Weight isn't an issue for me. Pac looked strong, fast and snappy against a human punch bag. It is of no concern to the team or the fighter. 5 lbs south he beat another punchbag, and a few lbs further south he competed with the current no.2 and (IMO lost, but still) won.

The excuses will come afterwards should Hatton win, mainly from the people who predicted a career-ending stoppage for Hatton.

it's a shame, it's a debate that can go round and round. I don't agree with the points I made entirely, there are more questions I'm sending out to see if I can make my mind up from the replies :good

 

But don't forget that Tito fought a 160 top fighter to win a title, and he not only beat him, he annihilated him. So he was proven at those weights and Tito had been on the top and looked so invisible for a lot of time. On the other hand Pac hasn't done ANYTHING over 135, he's not proven.

 

I don't understand this way of thinking.

Dominate. Good.

Get dominated for long parts (against someone who is obviously a very, very good fighter) and then fight your way back and stop them (poor, should've just dominated them)

Boxing is not about how long you dominated for, it's whether you lsat to the end. People discredit Foreman's win over Moorer as 'lucky'.

If you throw a punch that lands and you stops the other guy, that's your fault, and his fault for not being good enough to figure out what you're doing.

You've outtimed him, you've breached his defence, and hurt him enough to stop him from fighting anymore.

That is a win. If Hatton were to have this scenario unfold against Pac he should be given the utmost credit.

P4P no.1 doesn't have to mean slinky skills. It's who is the most dominant and impressive fighter in terms of opposition/baubles/performance wise across the board at that current moment.

However it is done, it is done. It's not a sprint, it's a mrathon.

All pointless anyway, Pac will win.

 

Remember when Margarito surged into the top 10 from about.....no.30 on one win??????

And Hatton, already in the top 10, doesn't go to no.1 with a win over the no.1???????

I never agreed with Hatton being no.1 with a win over Pac, but he deserves to be. If the no.1 guy happens to be in your division, and you youself are already recignised as amongst the top 10 in the World, you would surely go to no.1, especially considering you'd beaten a lot of toher contenders in your division, the top guy from the era before in your division, and had only lost to probably the best fighter in the last ten years (and beaten a fighter who might just be the best figther of the last ten years)


This is all ridiculous, HATTON WILL NOT WIN ANYWAY

 

top post :good

couldnt agree more.

 

Marvin Hagler was the P4P no.1, by beating good natural contenders in his division, and by beating other P4P fighters coming up in weight.

Did he ever stray above or below MW? Did it stop him not only being the P4P no.1 for about four/five years, but possibly the best figther of the 80's and one of the top 20 fighters of all time?

Hatton is none of these things. But with a win over Pac, he could be considered the best fighter P4P today. With a win over Marquez he definitely would be, it's not just past achievements, it's what you're doing now, otherwise B-Hop would be no.1 now and would still be until he decided to call it quite.

Roy Jones would be no.2.

See what I mean?

Luckily, Marquez, PAc, Hopkins are still fighting at a good level.

Vasquez hasn't ought in a year (not his fault AT ALL and I'm a big fan) but is still no.4

Hatton has beaten Malignaggi, a top contender, and possibly the P4P no.1 (won't happen, but for arguings sake)

He would be P4P no.1 IMO if he won, which is something I never thought I would say until reading BigBOne's thread, which makes perfect sense to me.

 

Hopkins didn't KO Tito...

 

Yes he did.