Fact or fiction on Johnson vs Burns?

According to Burns ,Johnson was running out of gas at the end of their fight while he was still strong. Strangely no one else saw it that way.:think

 

I would have bet the house on the fight.

 

Ive seen this quote as well. Burns was grasping at straws. Kinda like Foreman's excuses against Ali and Chuvalo's against Foreman. These guys have to hold on to that small belief that some way they could pull it all out of the fire or they wouldnt be able to compete again.

 

I think its in a fighters DNA even a lowly sparrrer ,a rudimentary scrapper like me thinks he's unlucky if he loses .I remember telling a mate who watched me that I was a bit sluggish that time,he looked at me in amazement and said," he pissed all over you".

 

Its in most of the books on Johnson and in several post fight reports .
How have you not seen it?
Then again you don't have to have seen a subject to form an entrenched opinion on it do you ?:yep

 

Sorry, these debates among historians always seem to get mysterious.

I got no dog in this fight ... but could one of those who know the history behind this just answer whether they have knowledge on if the ref bet on the fighter or not?

It's OK to say, 'No one knows.' It was, of course, a long time ago. And I understand that among the two or three of you who consider this a private discussion there is some, um, history with the OP that is hinted at ... but I'm just a guy interested in boxing history and in the topic.

So is there an historian who, out of respect for that, could take a flyer on providing some sort of answer on what they have turned up on this topic? As opposed to 'You go ahead and post a bunch of stuff and I'll poke at it here or there and, perhaps, answer it later.'

What makes this Classic forum great is those who have knowledge and who have done research sharing it. So, help a fellow poster out?

 

I'm not a historian if anyone who has commented on this thread qualifies for that title it would be Klompton . To my knowledge there has never been any quote ,reference ,inference, finger pointed whatever ,that McIntosh had a bet on Johnson in that fight. There is no reference to it in what is rapidly becoming the bench mark for biographies on Johnson ,Adam Pollack's "Jack Johnson The Rise". Neither does Geoffrey C Ward refer to it in "Invisible Blackness", it's not in the documentary film of the same name by Ken Burns, nor is it mentioned in "Jack Johnson In The Ring And Out "Johnson's autobiography,or" Jack Johnson & His Times ", by Denzil Batchelor.Neither is it in the discredited book" Jack Johnson My Life & Struggles translated and," adapted " from the French where it was entitled "Mes Combats". There is no mention of it in Graeme Kent's" The Great White Hopes", and not in Finis Farr's "Jack Johnson" biography.I have these books, except for the French "adaptation", which I have read.

I haven't read Sal Fradella's book on Johnson ,if anyone has perhaps they can enlighten us if it is referred to in it?
Hope this helps.
As has been said ,when making a statement the onus is on the one making it to provide primary sourced proof of it.

The OP in this case has a long history of making such statements , but not one of providing the requisite proof to back them up.
You must therefore make your own interpretation of that.

 

No progress on a rebuttal from Mendoza?

Running true to form then.:good

 

On a side note I was a bit disappointing with Kent's "The Great White Hopes".

 

A few inaccuracies, but I found it entertaining ,especially about the McGlaglen brothers .

 

Oh a good read but a lot of inaccuracies and regurgitation. Still got some worth out of it.

 

Call it a question, a statement or ,a query.You produced a sum total of

NOTHING TO BACK IT UP.


Please not more McCaffrey.atsch

ps Want to address those 14 points on your Joe Louis libel thread?