Facts about Vitali

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  1. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That’s more than reasonable and almost certainly exactly what happened.

    But old mate is trying to push the propaganda that Vitali beat Lewis so badly that this alone was the reason Lewis walked away.

    No such thing happened.
     
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  2. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It’s like saying Trevor Berbick “retired” Ali.

    The notion is laughable.
     
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  3. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    I deal in facts only, not rumours.
     
  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    How true that is who knows with so much junk being spread
     
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  5. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    ROFL That pic showing Rahman flat on his back with his head perfectly placed in the King crown on the canvas is a classic.. Statement saying "Paid in Full"
     
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  6. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    He retired him. Lennox wanted none of that again. Smart as he got the W and no one knows what would have happened without the cut. But there absolutely was unfinished business.
     
  7. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    How about your claim " Lennox demanded Kirk fight Vitali first then he'd rematch him " ?? I was around Kirk at that time a lot & nothing was ever mentioned about that. I doubt very much if that is anything more than a rumor
     
  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Irrelevant to McCall at 29, you're talking about a far more mature and experienced version of Lewis at 36 against a suspect-chinned relative greenhorn in Rahman.
     
  9. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Sound reasonable?"

    It's the fight where Lewis bumped into his toughest opponent, got a controversial win and (probably wisely) didn't want to risk a rematch, so he aborted his plans to have another 2-3 more fights.

    Legacy is heavily about appearances. If you go on for longer then people will perceive your "prime" to be later and if you retire earlier people consider your prime to be earlier, even if it wasn't. If Byrd had retired at 32, people would have said that he was past his best when he beat Holyfield and his prime had been 2-3 years prior but because he dragged his career on longer than he should have, he doesn't benefit from those excuses so much.
     
  10. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're being unreasonable and will not realistically listen to my points, you naysay everything & automatically create scenarios that aren't true.

    So what we've learned from you is, not only was Lewis scared of Vitali, but now he was also scared of McCall because Lewis was 29.

    Gotcha.
     
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  11. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vitali Klitschko is overrated for the reasons OP posted.

    He looked good but he fought vs very weak opposition and didn't dominate vs the 2 best opponents he fought

    From a talent and head to head standpoint I think he is a little overrated as well.

    His footwork is bad, his power is limited, no inside game, his defense is really only effective vs much shorter and slower fighters

    He has elite traits like stamina and endurance and a very good chin but even his chin wasn't really that proven and there's a good chance Lennox Lewis would've knocked him out if that fight continued
     
  12. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To add to my first post I think Anthony Joshua already has a better resume than Vitali Klitschko.

    They both had short runs as the best in the world but inline Vitali vs Lennox Lewis, AJ knocked out the old aging champion in his biggest fight.
     
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  13. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know how anyone rates Vitalis resume as better than Furys if they are being objective


    If someone wants to argue about their skillset and head to head abilities then that's something else

    Personally I think he's better than Vitali in those areas as well
     
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  14. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you're deliberately being obtuse but on the off-chance you're not.

    A relatively young and unseasoned champion coming off a devastating early KO loss is probably going to be scared about going straight back in with the iron-chinned nutcase who just destroyed him. An experienced, seasoned champion 7 years later may be an entirely different fighter from a mental perspective. Hence they rehabilitated Lewis (who looked nervy in his rehab fights against journeymen) rather than throwing him straight back in with McCall but by the time he fought Rahman he didn't need the training wheels treatment.

    I don't think Lewis was intimidated by Vitali but he did fear destroying his legacy by losing a rematch against his best H2H opponent, who he beat controversially on a doctor's decision while 4-2 down, in a fight that was in the balance against a stronger-chinned and fitter opponent. Lewis was in a position where his options were: extremely lucrative rematch against a dangerous opponent and address the controversy vs cancel plans for at least two more fights, refuse the rematch and retire with no serious risk/damage to his legacy. Vitali put Lewis is a difficult position and he chose to leave the sport, despite feeling he had more to give. But it worked out fine for him, it was sensible.
     
  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's highly questionable whether Vitali's best wins are better than Wilder's. Sanders (hard-hitting southpaw counterpuncher, fast hands, decent size, determined, coming off a huge win) and Chisora (durable, heavy, determined, aggressive, relentless) are his standout wins imo and they did the best against him of the fighters he beat. Vitali and Wilder also have one mutual opponent (Arreola) and Wilder was more dominant, for what that's worth.
     
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