Facts & Fiction About Williams VS Pavlik: From WWM

Another thing is you Pav fans need to stop taking so much pride in that Zertuche fight. The guy is 5'8 and he is tough not skilled.

 

Yeah, Lockett was #1 and Rubio was #1, matter of fact I'm pretty sure Rubio stopped Zertuche in his next fight after Pav, in less time.

 

ditto:deal

 

A common theme I see in dozens of posts about this fight is that all Williams has to do is handle KP's right hand, and he's home free. I want to make two points about that.

1) No disrespect intended, but I honestly don't think people have put much thought into those type of statements. How do you avoid Kelly's right hand? In order to stay away from Pav's right hand you have to avoid both his jab, and his long left hook from outside. As soon as he starts landing either of those two punches, the right hand is comin'. Pavlik does not just walk around blindly throwing right hands. He sets the right up with other punches, punches Williams is often wide open to.

2) I've been watching quite a little bit of Williams video lately, and I could not help but notice that every single opponent easily found Paul with the left hand. Pavlik is a converted southpaw. He leads with his power hand, and that left hand is one of the best, most versatile left hands in the business. An opponent simply has no idea what Kelly will do with his left. Is he going to tap-tap? Is he going to just flick it out there to disguise the right hand that's already on the way? Is he going to throw it like a jack hammer? Is he going to hook it around the guard at the last instant? In addition Pavlik has stopped bigger men than Paul dead in their tracks with a left hook to the body. Watch for PW to get tore up from the floor up by Pavlik's left hand.

On another note, the work rate issue has been blown completely out of proportion. Williams throws a ton of shots against guys who aren't throwing much back at him. Pavlik will be throwing back. **** guys, even in that infamous 2nd round of the first JT fight Pavlik threw 60 punches! He threw 97 punches in the first round while Edison Miranda, who hits like a Mac truck, threw 94 back at him. Pavlik will close PW's work rate down dramatically. Paul would be a damn fool to come out trying to throw 100 punches per round against Pavlik. He needs to stay on the move and pick his battles wisely. If he tries to win this on work rate, he won't last 5 rounds.

Another issue that gets over played is reach. You measure reach from the tip of the middle finger on one hand, across the back and shoulders, to the tip of the middle finger on the other hand. Actual arm length is a far more meaningful number. You measure that from the arm pit to the end of a closed fist. Paul's arm length is 25 1/2 ", same as Miranda. Pavlik's arm length is 24 1/2". Paul has never fought anyone who is as tall as he is, and almost negates his arm length advantage. Miranda and Taylor both have longer arms than Pavlik. Miranda 25 1/2". Taylor, 27". In the end, that particular advantage meant ****-all.

 

^^^you posted that already.

 

Geeeeeez, what an analysis!!! Don't over think it! I have a feeling KP is gonna be very aggressive & back up Paul from the get go, just like he did vs Miranda. Institute a brawl quickly & see how PW likes that. That would totally negate their game plan. PW doesn't wanna fight with Kelly. He wants to box. Pavlik has to disrupt that mindset.

And don't worry...he will.

 

The reason I said to watch the Zertuche fight is for a couple different reasons:

1. Is/ was he an elite fighter... No, but he was a very active fighter who was never knocked down and had quite a bit of pop. He had that Mexican head of granite.

2. I realize Zertuche was only 5'8", but his reach was long for his height, and he has an effective jab when he used it.

3. Zertuche was more than a 1 - 2 style of fighter. He moved pretty well in the ring.

That said, Kelly was very offensively diverse in this fight. He threw constant left/ right hooks to the body and head. He had an effective upper cut that was thrown from inside and outside. His right cross was a very effective weapon.

In the second JT fight, it was a hook to the body that hurt JT in the 11th rd. You are correct in the statement that Kelly has been less active with diverse punching in that fight.

The best weapons against a fighter who has a high output and looping punches is a straight 1 - 2. Kelly has a very high connect percentage, because he throws straight punches. I think this is what is going to make the difference in the fight.

I also think that fighters and fans grossly underestimate Kelly's power and the effects it has on a person. Look at Lockett's face in rd 2. Look at the KO of Zertuche. B-Hop made a comment after the fight that even though KP didn't land effectively, he could feel his power. I think PW will also underestimate this.

 

Ya, so what. I put it over here too. You got a problem?

Just kiddin; I copied it to this thread because I'm trying to get posters to think for once in their lives! All this crap about Quintana, Margarito, Lockett, blah, blah, blah. That stuff is null and void. Those guys aren't fighting!

We know certain things about Pavlik and certain things about Williams. Head to head is the right way to look at this. You can extrapolate some factors from other fights, but only in a limited way. Head to head Pavlik stomps Williams inside 8 rounds. The two possible exceptions would be if Paul runs, or if Paul tries to go to war. If he runs, he'll see the 10th. If he goes to war, it's over in 5.

 

Taylor is technically a better fighter than Pavlik. Taylor is also better than Froch.

It's just that guys with good chins, a big punch, and the WILL to walk through fire will ALWAYS be a problem for Taylor in 12 round fights.

As far as Pavlik Taylor II is concerned, Taylor was fighting off the back foot all night and it was CLEAR that he was leary of Pavlik's right hand.

I saw Pavlik winning a close but clear decision in that fight...

 

The more you say, the more convinced I become that you have never actually seen a Pavlik fight.

 

If you can't say anything positive about the opponent of the fighter you like, I disregard your posts. Ramblings won't get you anywhere here. If you can't be objective, and force feed us info on the fighter you like or know, you are discredited. WalkWM gave a detailed analysis OF BOTH GUYS, while other poster...and you know who... they are are only answering what was said about their favorite fighter by Walk. Good job Walk you piece of shite(kidding lol)...

 

This is what a dick rider says. He accuses you of not ever watching a Pavlik fight lol... Sick isn't it lol...

 

I was pointing out that Kelly has more than 2 bullets in the gun by saying watch the Zertuche fight. That's all.

I would be lying if I said this fight doesn't make me nervous.