Famous Referee George Siler's Entire Record As The Third Man

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    George Siler refereed 212 bouts, among the boxers he officiated for were such legends of the ring as :
    Fitzsimmons
    Hart
    Maher
    Creedon
    Ruhlin
    Jeffries
    Griffo
    Attell
    Lavigne
    McCoy
    Walcott
    Gardner
    Nelson
    Gans
    Root
    Ryan
    Choynski
    Dixon
    Sharkey
    O 'Brien
    Dixon
    Childs
    Did any referee act as the third man for so many famous old time fighters?
    Two men Siler never refereed are, Peter Jackson and Jack Johnson.
    Siler died in June 1908,6 months before Johnson fought Tommy Burns for the title.

    Here is his complete record as referee.
    http://boxrec.com/en/referee/401553
     
  2. mcvey

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    I see Mendoza hasn't challenged this.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Bump!
     
  4. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did referee George Siler ever write any books rating the fighters of the era he knew so much about?
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great link from you ^ compadre. :"Jim and Bob (Corbett & Fitz) will go down in ring history as the most notable event of its kind. It was termed the "Fight of the Century," and the whole civilized world was interested. The newspapers of the United States spent more money in printing accounts of the contest and matters pertaining to it than was expended on a score of previous championship battles. In that contest culminated the most heroic and sensational efforts ever made in match-making. For three years the principals had been bitter enemies. They had been matched to fight at Dallas, Tex., in 1895; driven out of the state, etc."

    FYI:
    The fight COULD have be fought at the Sportatorium...a facility so old, dingy, and smelling of stale beer from wrestling matches & and low grade pro boxing, it could have qualified as the Venue
    back then if it had existed. LOL !
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Sportatorium
     
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    Arthur Donovan possibly as many give or take.
     
  8. mcvey

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    Donovan refereed 240 fights involving many of the greats .
    But not "oldtime fighters."
     
  9. Mendoza

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    Yes, he did. Inside facts of Pugilism. A very good book.

    In the book, much to the poster's McVey dismay Siler clearly states that Peter Jackson was better than Jack Johnson by long odds and hits harder. I also pointed out to our resident punching bag ( McVey ) that Siler was the 3rd man in the ring with Jack Johnson at least once in a battle Royal fight, where official records were seldom kept.
     
  10. mcvey

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    No, you pointed out that Siler refereed both Jackson and Johnson several times and I know and can prove he did not! Siler never saw Johnson after 1907,and he died before Johnson won the title so he never saw the prime version of Johnson .
    So Siler never saw Johnson against
    Taylor , Burns,O Brien,Ketchel,Moran,Jeffries,Kaufman,Ross,Johnson,Flynn2 or any of his later fights,that's 32 of his known78 bouts we know for sure he didn't see. Let me put a question to you.
    Q . If a boxing writer said that Jack Dempsey was better than Joe Louis, but he had only seen Louis' fights up to the end of 1937 , and none of his championship fights or what came after.Would you think he was qualified to give an accurate assessment of Louis's abilities versus Dempsey's?
    Because that is what you are hanging your hat on at the moment!
    We don't know how many of his early fights he saw. Indeed we don't know how many of Peter Jackson's he saw!

    What we do know is Siler never refereed either Johnson or Jackson so your claim that he did is patently false.

    Siler in the book referred to,[ a link to which I have posted] takes the credit for discovering Johnson ,saying he was a coming champion.
    If I had any problems with Siler's book I would not have provided a link for it would I ?
    Try and use a little sense!

    This link gives Johnson's own account of how Siler discovered him.

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=SCE0ypLQHGcC&dat=19290422&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
     
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