Fantasy Fight: James Toney vs Andre Ward who would have won prime for prime?

Certainly than Barkley. That's more on the Dawson level. Jirov and Nunn is up there, but I'd consider Kova above the Nunn win of said reason. Jirov... worth thinking about.

 

He looked great in those fights, but the opponents weren't of the highest order. Wards gets practicaly no credit for Dawson, and I don't see why Toney should get more for Barkley.

 

Toney was never not in shape at 168

 

Would've responded sooner but wanted to find the exact spot where RJJ was asked if he knew it would be this easy- his statement was "I knew it would be difficult because of the weight James had to lose would be a difficult thing to handle."

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So we disagree, Toney was always an inshape/out a shape fighter.
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I believe he was 32-0 with 29 ko's when James beat him. 3 weight classes up.

 

Toney wins this all day.

 

Because Toney was fighting for Barkley's IBF super middle title that he had won two fights earlier instead of dragging him down to a division he hadn't fought in for multiple years.

 

good point.I give Ward credit for that win though

 

I think Ward beats Toney to the punch and also think he was more capable than Jones Jr up close.

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Here Ward throws 3 and lands 3. Froch with the same distance throws 4 and misses 4. Ward had a a tremendous boxing IQ and skill-set.

 

The win over Jirov was immense. If you want to rank it over Ward's second over Kova, I have no problems with that. Don't really know where I stand myself on the issue. Quite a few things to take into consideration for that one.

 

Barkley had had his two previous fights at 175 and would be 208 lbs for his next one. He must have killed himself to make 168. And let's not forget the war he was in with Hearns shortly before.