You quote any of the fantasy match-up and predict the outcome. Then you post your own list of fantasy match-ups with unclear outcome. One fantasy fight per division and Max of 10 divisions per post Over 200 - Joe Louis vs Lennox Lewis 200 - Rocky Marciano vs Evander Holyfield 175 - Archie Moore vs Mike Spinks 168 - Roy Jones Jr vs Sugar Ray Robinson 160 - Ray Leonard vs Carlos Monzon 154 - Bernard Hopkins vs Oscar Dela Hoya 147 - Roberto Duran vs Floyd Mayweather Jr 140 - Henry Armstrong vs Aaron Pryor 135 - Manny Pacquiao vs Pernell Whitaker 130 - Julio Cesar Chavez vs Alexis Arguello
200+: Fury vs Foreman 200: Marciano vs Charles (prime) 175: Galíndez vs Saad Muhammad 168: Ward vs Toney 160: Ketchel vs LaMotta 154: McCallum vs Leonard 147: Griffith vs Gavilán 140: Napoles vs PBF 135: Pacquiao vs Chávez 130: Argüello vs PBF 126: Pedroza vs Marcel 122: Morales vs Fenech 118: Sahaprom vs Khaokar 115: Moon vs Khaosai 112: Canto vs Wolgast 108: Chocolatito vs Zapata Some of your picks are strange...
Good matchups. Why “Franklin” though? Are you referring to the pre-champion version from before he renounced that name?
I do, but I call it him because I saw @robert ungurean say he saw a newspaper say he didn't want to be called it anymore, and he revoked his religion and became Christian again. I'm inclined to take his word for it. I still call Ali Ali. I still call Qawi Qawi and Mustafa Mustafa. It is how it is. Some times I may say Eddie Gregory just to differentiate, but that's it.
Yeah, I'm pretty skeptical about the story Robert mentioned. I saw it too, a long time ago (if we're talking about the same one). Came across more like an assertively Christian interviewer with an agenda who was asking him leading questions, if I recall correctly. I also find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have been able to get help changing his name if he really had been interested in doing so. I feel like it would have gotten more attention than one single guy claiming that Saad told him that. It's an interesting story though—I've been meaning to look into it some more. EDIT: Here's the original source: http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Ken/Hissner121109.htm Not sure how well the people behind this knew him, but they put "Saad Muhammad" on his gravestone, fwiw: https://www.gofundme.com/f/p5o104/campaign/gallery/2
Oh **** it's on his grave? Damn. Sure, I'll go with Saad then. I don't particularly mind, he's him no matter what name, I'd just call him what he wants to be called.
200+ - Frazier vs Holmes 200 - Charles vs Holyfield 175 - Laughran vs Harold Johnson vs Conn 168 - Toney vs Calzaghe 160 - Monzon vs Hagler/ LaMotta vs Tiger 154 - McCallum vs De La Hoya 147 - Gavilan vs Leonard 140 - Pryor vs Canzonari 135 - Duran vs Leonard/Williams/Armstrong/Gans 130 - Chacon vs Salido 126 - Marquez vs Sanchez 122 - Fenech vs Gomez 118 - Olivares vs Harada 115 - Estrada vs Galaxy 112 - Wolgast vs Canto 108 - Humberto Gonzalez vs Roman Gonzalez 104 - Calderon vs Alvarez
Yeah, that's my take too. For what it's worth, he seemed to go by "Saad Muhammad" in all of his public appearances later in life too. Not sure how much you know about his life story but you might find his interview on the Art Fennel show (second link) interesting: This content is protected This content is protected
Who do you think will win @ 168? RJJ or Sugar Ray Robinson? Is 168 too much for SRR? How about Bhop? Can he but an ATG fighter @154? He was 156 when he best ODLH
I knew Saad went back to being a Christian but was always under the impressive he kept Saad Muhammad. Even Franklin wasn’t his original last name, it was Maxwell Loach.
+ 200 - Joe Louis vs Larry Holmes - 200 - Rocky Marciano vs Jack Dempsey (they would have been CW's today) 175 - Ezzard Charles vs Michael Spinks 168 - James Toney vs Andre Ward 160 - Marvin Hagler vs Carlos Monzon 154 ‐ Sugar Ray Leonard vs Mike McCallum 147 - SSR VS SRL 140 - Aaron Pryor vs Floyd Mayweather 135 - Roberto Duran vs Ike Williams 130 - Julio Cesar Chavez vs Alexis Arguello 126 - Salvador Sanchez vs Juan Manuel Marquez
Heavyweight: Lennox Lewis vs. Larry Holmes Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield vs. Rocky Marciano Light Heavyweight: Michael Spinks vs. Bob Foster Super Middleweight: James Toney vs. Andre Ward Middleweight: Marvin Hagler vs. Carlos Monzon Junior Middleweight: Kassim Ouma vs. Paul Williams Welterweight: Oscar De La Hoya vs. Marlon Starling Junior Welterweight: Aaron Pryor vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Lightweight: Roberto Duran vs. Pernell Whitaker Junior Lightweight: Érik Morales vs. Juan Manuel Márquez Featherweight: Eusebio Pedroza vs. Salvador Sanchez
