Fantasy Fights You Have The Most Trouble Picking

Hagler-Monzon and Whitaker-Duran

 

It would'nt have been much diffrent then the 145 pound catchweight they fought at.

 

Why do posters always have prime Tyson losing mythical matches thru weak mentality ? :huh

A prime Tyson was a happy man, his head was sound, he only developed these problems thru outside ring activities & that was from 89/90 onwards.... no way does a prime 85-88 Tyson fold mentally, thats a joke TBH.

Ps. other than that, your choices were terrible :good

 

Couple of things...

Did Chavez ever look any good after that fight ?
Did Whitaker ever look any good after that fight ?

Once you`ve answered those questions, you will know who had the advantage on being closer to their peak & thats a huge difference in a fight between 2 masters like these, HUGE difference.

 

You never know. I know Foreman and Liston were once sparring partners, so they both knew what to expect from one another. With Liston being smaller, I can just invision him getting caught with a hard shot and losing confidence. Angelo Dundee once said that Foreman would do the same thing to Liston that he did to Frazier, so I'm not alone in my theory. I just see Big George winning this because of his size and strength.

You're so cute.

Yes, Dempsey kills Rocky early. Rocky had to warm up to his task. Rocky also had a tendency to cut. Both times Rocky was ever dropped, it happened within the first rounds. Why would Dempsey be an exception?

Also, Frazier beats Liston. If you watch the first Patterson fight, you'll see that Sonny had trouble catching Floyd because Floyd kept bobbing and weaving. Joe would bob and weave twice as much and throw some hard shots to the body. He'd slip the jab and counter Liston repeatedly. If you take away Liston's jab, you've already won half the battle. Joe wins this. No way Sonny could take those brutal body punches and left hook counters.

And you picked Marciano over Frazier because Rocky had a "greater chin."
I think Joe and The Rock are equals in the chin department. Rocky would have been killed by Foreman just as Frazier was. Rocky's chin was never tested against a 200+ pound heavyweight (aside from an old Joe Louis).
If Rocky was dropped by Walcott and Moore, how in the world would he cope if he got struck by Foreman, Liston, Tua, Tyson, etc? Rocky had a good chin, but we'll never know if it was Great. Besides, in a Frazier/Rocky matchup, Frazier would beat Rocky to the punch. That left hook would find its mark again....and again....and again...

As for the Leotis knockdown, I know the punch hurt Sonny. But he made no effort to get up or even move. It's as if he just decided to lay there and let the noise of the crowd wash over him. Or, he could have been really knocked the heck out. I've always been unclear on that. With Sonny Liston, you never know.

And to drive my point home, think about this; if Sonny folded so easily to knockdowns from Ali and Martin, how does he survive a knockdown from George Foreman?

At the end of the day, you never know. But it's fun to agree and disagree on this stuff.

 

For me it's Whitaker-Duran. I know the fight has been discussed and debated ad-nauseam so I won't go into the details of how I think it might play out - I just find it impossible to pick a winner with any confidence.

 

I'll give you that. It's just that Rocky and Joe are so similar. I'll bet if they switched eras, Frazier would have went 49-0 and Rocky would have had the loss to Foreman.

But as far as chins go, it's really a tossup to me. Oscar Benovena was no heavyweight legend, but to be fair, Rocky was dropped by old men. (Walcott and Moore). But keep this in mind, too. Both men were vulnerable during the early rounds, and suffered their knockdowns in early rounds as a result. They're both easier to put down at the beginning of a fight before they find their rhythm.

And if Rocky were to actually fight Joe, I'd go with Frazier because Rocky would leave himself open with those wild swings and Joe would use those openings to counterpunch.

 

I have to ask, are you serious here? Foreman is able to murder Sonny Liston of all people from a distance atsch

 

I'm still not convinced. Rocky wasn't completely getting his arse kicked that much. If you noticed, after the knockdown, Rocky stayed in really close to Walcott to avoid getting tagged like that again. He did an excellent job of slipping many of Walcott's shots. Rocky was much harder to hit than he looked. He stayed in low and really close, bobbing and weaving. If he were to stand upright and try to trade with Walcott, he'd have found himself on the floor again no doubt. This is why he changed his gameplan.

Sonny had long reach too, but he'd have to jab his way inside to get to Foreman. Foreman's wild swings would definitely catch Sonny as he tried to jab or move his way in.

 

Foreman's wild swings are the exact reason why he'd get his head blown off against Liston.