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  1. TFFP

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    I disagree Jeff. Kessler does everything well, there are no major flaws in what he does out there. He lacks versatility, but the fundamentals are solid. That is why he barely loses rounds. He is also a joy to watch, there is no clinching and he is always standing toe to toe.

    Froch having a chance to beat Kessler is insulting. Can you imagine Kessler getting caught with that roundhouse windmill right hand from shot Robin Reid?

    :-(
     
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  2. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I think Kessler is very good.

    However - I hope he bucks the trend of Euro fighters and actually goes chasing more big fights, rather than having one and spending the rest of his career hiding behind a belt beating bums.

    All will be revealed I guess.
     
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  3. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Kessler picks his shots well... but can't throw a left hook, doesn't move his head well and is very upright. I know your a big fan TFFP and everyones entitled to an opinion... :good
     
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  4. TFFP

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    He knocked Haussler clean out with a left hook, that isn't strictly true. It is in his locker, its just towards the back somewhere with his uppercut :yep

    He doesn't move his head, but he has a good guard. Winky-Wright doesn't move his head either. But I saw some stats recently and he has one of the best shots landed to shots taken ratios in boxing. I don't think defence is a worry.

    :good
     
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  5. Beeston Brawler

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    He reminds me a bit of Lennox Lewis actually, for some reason.
     
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  6. TFFP

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    He has a good jab like Lewis, but he doesn't have the variation of punch or versatility. I still think Lewis was a better offensive fighter than defensive.

    Lewis could go into full attack when neccessary, as against Golota as well as his usual tactical mode. Kessler hasn't really show that apart from a fleeting moment in round 12 against Calzaghe.
     
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  7. Beeston Brawler

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    I think the jab is the biggest similarity - but other things sprang to mind when I watched the Calzaghe fight again.......

    Stance
    Movement (lesser extent)
    Uppercut

    Lewis was probably better offensively, but capable of going into retreat mode whilst still being aggressive (Klitschko, Tua, perhaps), or cautious (McCall II) or allout destroyer mode (Golota, Briggs).

    I think Kessler was showing that in round 4 as well as 12 - but was out-thought by Calzaghe throughout the middle/late stages of the fight really.
     
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  8. TFFP

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    Another thing Lewis did with his jab differently was pawing. That and sticking his arm out so nobody could get near him.

    It was annoying as hell, but damn effective.
     
    TFFP, Nov 10, 2008
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  9. PaddyD1983

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    Dont say this very often but I agree TFFP! I think Kessler is a really good fighter and in time will be seen as Calzaghe's career defining win.
     
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  10. Beeston Brawler

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    He did paw a bit, but most fighters with excellent jabs do resort to pawing at times.

    Lennox Lewis
    Wlad Klitschko
    Kostya Tszyu
    Oscar De La Hoya

    I wouldn't say Lennox does the annoying 'arm out' tactic as much as guys like Wlad, who also does the awful slapping down movement (see Ibragimov 'fight' for that) which really pisses me off.

    In truth, Lennox was probably doing them a favour keeping them away - so they don't eat one of those uppercuts.
     
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  11. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Where did you get those stats mate... i'd be interested to read that, fair point Winkys defence is awesome.
     
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  12. TFFP

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    Yes it was an effective tactic. He used his reach to stop any ****er getting near him and he controlled the pace. It just looked awful to me, sticking an arm out.

    He wasn't my cup of tea to watch.
     
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  13. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I'm talking more about technique, Calzaghe is fairly exciting to watch. :good
     
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  14. Beeston Brawler

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    I think his technique does make him awkward to beat, but for me it is his ability to switch tactics in a flash that has opponents dumbfounded.

    Obviously in the Hopkins fight you had two guys doing the same thing, and their styles made for a shockingly boring fight, which is what it was.

    Jones has obviously lost some of his reflexes and ability to 'pull the trigger' which helped Joe no end - that said Calzaghe isn't as fast or powerful as he used to be.
     
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  15. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Of course, his mental attitude and fitness is incredible... Also when he does keep hi boxing together his guard and jab in particular are spot on. His left uppercut too.... but once he starts doing all that gay limbo stuff and dropping his hands it goes pear.... big time.
     
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