FAO: true believers in the supremacy of the heavyweight division. If all three favorites lose...

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What is the benchmark for you to say "IB, you're correct, HW is the worst & sucks donkey balls"?

Poll closed May 17, 2019.
  1. 1 member of the "Big Three" losing.

    9.7%
  2. 2 members of the "Big Three" losing.

    35.5%
  3. All members of the "Big Three" losing.

    9.7%
  4. All members of the "Big Three" losing and somebody w/ a dozen losses and/or 45+ y.o. wins a belt.

    22.6%
  5. All of the above could happen and I'd still believe HW is supreme.

    22.6%
  1. CST80

    CST80 The Mercurial Malcontent Staff Member

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    No **** moron, that's not the point of the ****ing post.
     
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  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I understood your analogy.
    How about filling in the missing bits then ...

    Joshua =
    Wilder =
    Fury =
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 The Mercurial Malcontent Staff Member

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    If Heavyweight were Welterweight.*
     
  4. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, if it were welterweight, as you say, which 147 pounders do you have representing Joshua, Wilder and Fury ?
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 The Mercurial Malcontent Staff Member

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    I was just doing a quality of their opponents analogy. So I didn't do one for AJ. I compared Wilder to wild windmilling Porter, which is actually an insult to Porter's skillset. Fury to pre-Bud Horn an awkward cagey guy with wins over decent journeyman and a win over an old legend.

    And... let's just say AJ's the Errol Spence of the division. Overrated punching power, rudimentary one two artist, although that's an insult to Earl, he's got far more wrinkles in his game than AJ, and far better footwork and chin.
     
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  6. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    Joshua never fought a pressure fighter ? Ever here of Povetkin and the guy Wilder is fighting next ? The guy who actually is more likely to test Wilders chin which puts that fight as the top upset to happen .
     
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  7. ChinMusic

    ChinMusic Member Full Member

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    Understand where you going with this thread, the skill of boxing isn't apparent in the heavyweights, but it is where the more casual observers begin their interest and so serves its purpose ie interest.
    From there they may become more passionate and invest in the greater skills of the lower divisions, there's an awesome flyweight fight coming up thats gonna fly over the heads and radar of many.
    I dont mind heavyweights they're the bread and butter of boxing, big smash boom, "OK fair enough, let me show you this Wangnet guy"
     
  8. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Heavyweight is the elite division. It's the open division.
    The other divisions are handicap divisions for small guys who can't compete against all-comers.

    The basketball equivalent of bantamweights would be a league for players 5 foot and under.
     
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  9. Boxcel

    Boxcel Member Full Member

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    P4p is a measurement of skill levels while disregarding weight. Boxing is known as the sweet science. We appreciate skill here. Winning just because of size isn't a good measurement of skill or display of the sweet science.
     
  10. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    HW is one of , if not the best division in boxing. Its the money division like WW was in the 00's.

    Its not good just because of the top guys , its good because every layer from the bottom up is stacked with decent talent. Then you have great fight being produced all the time.
    What other division produces great fights on a regular basis.:confundio1:
     
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  11. PunchersChance.

    PunchersChance. Active Member Full Member

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    Except measuring skill while disregarding weight is not realistic. Do people really expect near 7ft behemoths to dance around the ring and exhibit the same kind of flash as guys from the lighter weight classes, the two are just totally incomparable.
     
  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

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    Someone please archive this post. What a joke. The worst?

    Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk (who joins them in a couple weeks at the WBO #1 spot) will ALL be first ballot Hall of Famers.

    Are you telling me EVERY other division right now has MORE THAN FOUR first ballot Hall of Famers sitting on top?

    Dumbest post I've seen this week. And there have been some pretty incompetent posts.

    You're saying there are five first ballot hall of famers at super middle? - with Caleb Plant, Anthony Dirrell and Callum Smith?

    Who are the other three first ballot Hall of Famers at Middle (along with Canelo and Golovkin) - Rob Brant, Demetius Andrade?

    What about super welter and Tony Harrison and Munguia?

    What about super lightweight? I don't even know who Kiryl Relikh is, and I follow boxing. Think Maurice Hooker is a first ballot Hall of Famer?

    What are you a Tevin Farmer fan? Think he's going in on the first ballot?

    Laughable.
     
  13. NasalSpray

    NasalSpray Active Member Full Member

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    P4P is like saying "If GGG was exactly the same boxer he is now but was a woman he would be the best female boxer of all time". You can't say that because if he was a woman his skills would not be the same, because of the physical differences. So saying a lightweight is more skilled than a heavyweight is the same thing
     
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  14. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Marked for future reference..."I can see Wilder losing to Breazeale", no offense.
     
  15. Boxcel

    Boxcel Member Full Member

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    Except look at the movement of Fury and Usyk and a fat James toney who still had great defense. You can still spot outstanding skill even if they're big, and they can still move well if they're well coordinated. Look at Mike Tyson's head movement and shifting. If they have outstanding skill they have outstanding skill, regardless of size. Yes I give Tyson more credit for moving like he did at his weight compared to smaller person, but don't say heavyweights can't move lmao.

    So I guess you're also saying if some of these heavyweights were lighter they would be Mayweathers? I guess if you don't box yourself you might not appreciate the technical side of boxing. And if you're also heavier you may say something like P4P doesn't matter lol.

    Funny enough Mike Tyson says Lomachenko is the best fighter. No one denies heavyweights are best head to head, but we can still recognize skill regardless of weight unless you're a big guy trying to feel superior over lighter guys
     

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