Fast forward 12 months and how will the world title scene look regarding our guys?

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  1. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    You saw the first Campillo fight? I've found that near-impossible to obtain.

    EDIT: Never mind, just got it.:lol:

    Anyways, I agree with your sentiment regarding Beibut. I find him to be one of the weakest belt holders in the entire sport. His hooks are wide and telegraphed, added to that it would be generous to call his straight shots arm punches, and added to that all of the above are extraordinarily inaccurate. He hasn't really shed out of his amateur style yet, and he hasn't got the stamina to maintain it down the stretch. He punches lack form to begin with, much less when he's tired. And he's poor defensively, though he reads range relatively well, which assists him in that regard.
     
  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I watched both those fights live. Neither occasion did I feel Shumenov won and I was more highly impressed with Campillo. Showed a fair degree of slickness I didn't expect, outworked Shumenov, punches straighter and more accurately, just deserved the wins for me.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Not so much that i'm impressed with bebuit, it's more that he's competing at a higher level than cleverly and has decent power. Nathan is too willing to take shots and just won't defeat bebuit, nor campillo for that matter.
     
  4. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Shumenov hasn't exactly done anything spectacular as far as getting a debatable decision over Campillo and beating Uzelkov who had a tremendously padded record, and either way I don't think 'competing at a higher level' is justification in itself or real analysis. If that won fights there would be no point in challenging for a world title, ever.

    Shumenov hasn't got any real power in my opinion. Especially considering he seems to look for the home run every time, which makes him highly exploitable. If I was training him I'd require more power than he's demonstrating to justify that way of operating, and either way as a former top class amateur I expect evidence of a better skillset than he's shown.

    He's one of the worst world champs in the sport, I agree with 'pab. And the idea Clev beats him says more of my opinion on Beibut than Cleverley. I think Bellew could potentially take Shuemnov out, I really do.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Well fortunately i'm not a professional analyst so I don't have to give any justifications. Call it a hunch if it makes you feel better.

    I'm sure I had bebuit winning the first and losing the second.

    Cleverly hasn't impressed me really and I had him drawing with bellew. Domestically he looks pretty good and that's how I see him; a domestic level fighter.

    I'm hoping he proves me wrong but I think he's pretty much the worst titlist out there. It was a paper strap anyways and he hasn't even defeated the paper champion yet.

    He seems to have regressed for me lately and any of the belt holders from 168 and up i'd favour to beat him.

    Hopefully brook will deliver the goods but considering it's taken him 8 years to reach this level i'm not hundred percent sure how his career will play out.
     
  6. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    I may be wrong of course granted but I think a sincere Chisora in great shape has a good chance against Vitali.
     
  7. Lilo

    Lilo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Froch - With the way Matchroom seem to promote their fighters (bar Brook), as well as Froch's "take 'em all on" mentality, I'm concerned that he will not take an 'easier' fight. He will most likely fight one of Kessler/Bute and is the underdog in both. No title

    Haye - Big underdog v Vitali. No title

    Khan - Can't be arsed to go into it but do feel that he beats Peterson in a rematch. Then takes on Bradley; he's too proud to back out of that esp considering Bradley will chase it now. Prediction (controversial) - Unified and clear no.1 at LWW

    Brook - Tricky one. Hearn seems to get his fighters title shots in which they really have little chance; McCloskey, Harrison and Barker. He is going a different more ******esque route here though. Say three fights in 2012 - beats M.Hatton (highly rated with WBA?) and fights Senchenko for WBA, then has a 'homecoming' (!) against a gimme in Sheffield. Could easily see him being put straight in with Berto and losing though. WBA champ

    Macklin - Gets KO'd against Martinez, then who knows? Still top ten but no title
    Barker - Repeat of 2011; wins Euro and looks good at home, gets world shot but is beaten. Same as Macklin
    Murray - Chases Sturm, Barker and Macklin. Gets beat by whoever he faces (probably Sturm) and goes for the Euro. Euro champ

    Chisora - Crawls back under his rock.

    Afolabi - WBO champ

    McDonnell - Gets stopped as soon as he steps up, possibly in his eliminator then returns to Euro level. Euro champ

    Cleverly - Three fights; stops Tommy the Kart in 4, then either Bellew rematch or Shumenov followed by another gimmee. WBO champ (fights and beats Bellew)

    Burns/Mitchell - The route that I think they should take is Burns - WBO and Mitchell WBA then unification late in the year. These plans are risky and VVarren may just put them together in the summer which I still think is 50/50. Anyway, I'll say Marquez vacates, Burns beats a tougher than expected Crolla and edges Mitchell in the summer. The usual tomato can comes in after. Mitchell - easy win in Feb, loses a close one to Ricky and then starts on the smack whilst running around Dagenham with a chainsawBurns WBO, Mitchell - Jail
     
  8. bobalachko

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    Dereck Delboy Chisora vs Audley A-Force Harrision

    To be crowned undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the world
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I'd like to see burns v mitchell very much.

    Whilst burns fights crolla I think mitchell should take on katsidis and then the winner of him vs burns would legitimately be a top 5 fighter imo. Once marquez and rios announce their moves up all we need is one of vasquez, burns and de marco to fight each other and the division should shape up pretty quickly.