Faster hands.. Roy Jones or Ray Robinson??

Jones was a devastating hitter at 160-168. In an absolute sense, Robinson probably had faster hands, but pound for pound, Jones takes it.

 

Why would you say that? It's not like there was a big enough size difference to not be able to differentiate. Jones certainly looked faster. In an absolute sense he appears and likely is faster than a lot of fighters south of say, Featherweight as well.

 

If you want to claim Jones opposition is weak I can do the same to Robinson's as he avoided the Black Murderer's Row. Joens fought the top 2 of his time

OK so you want examples of power:

Mallinger in KO6 - never stopped, went 12 with Eubank and Benn, arguably beating both and went on to beat Benn

Thomas Tate in KO2 - never stopped, fought Julian Jackson, Otke, other contenders

Wolfe KO1 - never stopped, went 12 with Toney

Pazienza KO6 - only stopped once as a novice

Griffin KO1 - never stopped prior, fought Toney twice

Virgil Hill KO4 - never stopped prior, wouldnt be stopped again until way past his prime against the massive Mormeck in a retirement after 8rounds

Now remember these men faced big big punchers in Benn, Eubank, Toney, Hearns, Julian Jackson, Tarver without getting stopped

 

Thinking of the Griffin fight. Thats why I see a fully motivated Jones who was aware of his opponent's strenghts outpointing Moore in a relatively dull fight. Griffin was timing his right hand leads like a demon which caused Jones' eye to swell as rounds passed by. Griffin's defense was quite similar to Moore's as he fought pretty low when stepping inside. I'm not saying Griffin was half the fighter Moore was, not by a long shot. But Futch got the best out of him against Jones and put together a solid strategy. Jones exchanging too long with Moore would spell disaster.

 

Because i've never seen Robinson at welterweight and i'd have to assume his handspeed there better than at middleweight, when he was a bit older as well. Tough one to call, though, maybe you are right.

And i think there is a big difference between them. Jones was close to unbeatable at 160 and 168 and easily beat two legends there. Note that because of modern weigh-in's, he likely fought around 170lbs at that point and 180lbs for most of his lightheavyweight bouts, on fight night.

Robinson on the other hand, while he was a very good middleweight, he wasn't unbeatable and lost the title quite a few times. His best stuff was clearly at lower weights. In a head-to-head sense i'd pick Jones because he's bigger.

 

Robinson was able to do it only once in 50 rounds with Fullmer. Robinson was by far lesser hitter at 160 lbs than Jones.

 

Nobody else in history did it to Fullmer.

 

How many times was this titan-jawed Fullmer knocked down in his career, remind me?

 

There were a lot of great or very good fighters who had been stopped only once in their career. That doesn't mean each man who was able to do this to them was a mega-puncher.

 

Yeah, hard to argue his power between 160 and 168. Terrific hitter at the weights mentioned.

I'd favour him in terms of pure speed over Robinson at 160, but it's not a gulf or anything.

 

Just to add...Hill was never in trouble of getting KO'd against Mormeck.

 

Here's my opinion, Jones' hands are faster, but it really is close. robinson's power shot combos were rapid, fact.

Seen as though we're getting into other areas of comparison here, Jones threw rapid power shot leads, single left hooks jumping in and the like and they were some of the fastest shots ever seen. But imo, and i feel strongly here, Robinson's rapid fire 5 and 6 punch powershot copmbos are the best offensive moves EVER, calculated to body and head. There is no defence for Ray's attacks by my reckoning. Too fast, calculated, and expoited openings that other even great fighters might not see.

Sugar Ray Robinson really is the best offensive fighter ever for me. Some may have personal preferences, but this statement cant be shrugged off.

People here should listen to Sweet Pea, the man talks sense.

 

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True story:good

 

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