Faster hands.. Roy Jones or Ray Robinson??

Calling that beauty of a left hook "pure accident" is downright respectless. He threw the hook with mean intentions, of catching Fulmer as he was coming in and it landed. One punch knockouts are extremely rare and accomplishing it is no small feat. Of course you can't land a punch like that at will, but that doesn't make it any less great. Would you say Tyson knocked out Botha by accident too?

 

How could you say it was pure accident when Robinson mentioned that his strategy before the fight was to capitalize on the fact that Fullmer dropped his RIGHT HAND when coming in and that he wanted to counter based on this weakness?

 

Don't be telling me Fullmer never once dropped his right hand in the other 49 rounds (almost 2 and a half hours) they faced each other in the ring.

 

That's a strange way of looking at things mate.

 

If a fighter is able to land in such way only once in 50 rounds, that's accident to me. He might have not landed with the same devastating effect every time, but had he done a similar trick with Fullmer several times in their fights, then I would take it as a tactical thing of trying to exploit a flaw in the opponent's style, and not something accidental.

If you watch the 2nd Jones-Griffin fight, you will see that Jones attempted to throw that left hook to the jaw in a very similar manner several times and finally succeeded after several attempts.

If you watch the Jones-Hill fight attentively, you will notice that Hill was waiting for Jones' jabs and tried to "reply" with his own jab every time, so Roy figured this out and feinted a jab and instead went to the body.

Not the same thing with Robinson's hook vs Fullmer.

 

Well, first of all, when you repeat 50 rounds to add to the effect of your statements when it was clear that Robinson was pretty much shot for the second two fights with Fullmer his timing speed and reflexes simply weren't there at that point. Furthermore, I mentioned that countering Fullmer coming in wasn't Robinson's strategy for the first fight. So there go most of your 50 rounds.

 

I'm going for the middle ground here. Clearly Robinson didn't throw the left hook in a tactical sense. He probably didn't anticipate Fullmer to that extent.

Ray most likely simply saw the opening, took his chance and fired off the hook and saw Fullmer fall to the canvas.
Did he expect his punch to have such dramatic consequences? Possibly not, but he DID fire off a peach of a punch that filletted Fullmer.

So maybe he didn't use it in a tactical way, but throwing that good of a shot in a nanosecond takes serious ability.

That's good enough for me.

 

Yeah, 15 rounds in their 1st fight wasn't enough for Robinson to notice this flaw and think of a way how to exploit it. He needed another 4 months of thinking to come up with a plan. And Fullmer, of course, got even faster for their 3rd and 4th fights, and now he had a considerable advantage over Robinson in handspeed and timing.

 

Jones had faster hands, Robinson had more power in his combinations and comitted to delivering with power much more consistently than Jones.

Senya, are you comparing Malinga favorably to Fullmer?

 

Robinson had more power in his combinations in which fights in particular? That are on film that is. Even in his welter days he looked more about flurries of punches than on combinations of punches intended to hurt.

Fullmer is grossly overrated, he was tough but primitive. I don't think he's more improved as a boxer than LaMotta, for example.

 

Let me come out and say it....Sugar Ray Robinson,at full flow,is the most complete fighter I've ever seen...There's not too many fighters that can throw a six punch comibination,with every one of them KO written all over it....Ray was a master at that..But that,mostly had to do with his style...Ray was a boxer with an offensive mind....He could have tried to look cutey and be defensive like...Roy Jones..but he was who he was.

My answer to the question...IMHO...shot for shot...I say Roy Jones was better...not by a lot mind you..but Ray had the better delivery IMO.The way he could reel off those combos effortlessly....with speed and total power,IMO puts him where belongs...at the top of the heap...

And this was nearly 60 yrs ago btw...Just a reminder y'all.For raw physical power,Roy Jones probably has no equals..The man was gifted.Athletic ability was his signature.Too bad,we never really got to see Jones at his absolute best...He had the chance to be P4P the best of all-time,but he nevr reached for it IMO.

But yeah..I say Jones.

 

Roy.

 

Roy, but not by much.