Fat Dan and Paulie argue on Twitter about “lineal” status

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Andre made 168, but Edwin weighed 170. Therefore, he won the lineal belt.

    What’s interesting is that it would pass to Thomas Williams and then Stevenson if you don’t count it.
     
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  2. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    No not therefore, it was a supermiddleweight bout.

    Thats what it says in the history books. It counts in Ward's defense column
     
  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Don’t be an *******. If you beat the lineal champion in his weightclass, the title changes hands. Rodriguez was a light heavy. End\
     
  4. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    Hardly, it was a supermiddleweight bout and he was so drained he couldn't even make weight.

    Stevenson is lineal either way, he is the man who beat the man
     
  5. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    These lineal rules seem to change all the time.
     
  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    No. Edwin was not contesting for the 168 belt since he was a light heavy. Ward was defending it but Edwin couldn’t win it.

    To win lineal 175 you must be 175 or lower and the champion must be over 168 and no more than 175. Since there’s no lineal sanctioning body to determine which fights count, Rodriguez lost the belt.
     
  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Edwin blew weight and came in at 170. Hence, light heavyweight.
     
  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agree. But it's the story of his career, at least the last decade-ish.
     
  9. james5000

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    Rubbish if the fight is for the 168 strap and is recorded as a supermiddleweight bout than the light heavyweight lineal championship can not be up for grabs.
     
  10. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member booted Full Member

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    Paulie is right.

    That **** right there is the ****ing worst and those guys don't even seem to understand what the problem with it is despite everyone telling them.
     
  11. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    It is in the history books as a supermiddleweight contest for a supermiddleweight belt. Hence not light heavyweight.

    Why should the holder be penalised for draining down that low? They shouldn't that and they can't be
     
  12. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Like I've mentioned a couple of times before, the whole thing with lineage is that it's broken so many times now in every weightclass and disagreed upon where and when a vacant lineage starts again, that it's as pure as the driven over peed over yellow snow.

    Nowadays it often gets used for priviledged guys that don't want to fight the division's best and/or have their own set of rules, to claim "the purest championship of them all".
    You don't have to be the best, fight the best or sometimes fight at all, use peds and/or break every rule in boxing, as long as you were in the right place at the right time to beat the guy with that status, or got awarded that status in some stuffy boardroom, you can claim the mythical lineal championship... Whoohoo!

    Lineal is completely irrelevant in this day and age in my opinion.
     
  13. Erik

    Erik Active Member Full Member

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    This fat turd needs to hurry up and die of a heart attack.
     
  14. Boxing Prospect

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    The only exception, until recently, was Flyweight, which had something like a 40 year straight linage (amazingly!) from Canto Gonzalez, was absolutely amazing to think that line went unbroken
     
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  15. like a boss

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    Totally agree with you regarding lineal status.

    The continuity of the lineal chain of most, if not all weight classes, has been compromised at one point or other. Perhaps the best example of this being middleweight, where the lineal title has the consistency of swiss cheese.
     
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