Faultier stoppage: Joshua's TKO over Takam or Wilder's TKO over Duhaupas?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Luis Fernando, Sep 18, 2018.


Which stoppage was faultier?

  1. Anthony Joshua's premature stoppage over Carlos Takam

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  2. Deontay Wilder's premature stoppage over Johann Duhaupas

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is Joshua's premature stoppage over Takam:

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    At 52:40 mark of that video.


    And this is Deontay Wilder's premature stoppage over Duhaupas:

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    Go to 0:40 mark of the video to see the premature stoppage.

    I personally believe Wilder's stoppage win over Duhaupas was even worse and faultier. At least Joshua dropped Takam once in their fight and was more often in the front foot. Meanwhile, Wilder couldn't even drop Duhaupas once, despite landing a career high number of punches nearing 1000 (double the punches Joshua landed on Takam) and he was also backing up / in survival mode for most of the fight against Duhaupas who was walking through his punches.

    Both Joshua and Wilder missed their last 2 punches when the referee stepped in prematurely stop the fights. But at least Joshua was still in position and had the balance to continue throwing punches, had the referee not stepped in.

    On the other hand, not only did Wilder wildly miss his last 2 punches, but he was totally off balance and all over the place, to the point where he wasn't even going to be able to continue throwing punches had the referee not stepped in to stop the fight and Duhaupas would've just reset easily.

    Takam was MORE bothered by Joshua's FEWER punches than Duhaupas was from Wilder's FAR GREATER NUMBER OF PUNCHES.

    This is just an indisputable fact!

    So any Wilder fanatic that criticizes Joshua for having a gift stoppage against Takam, must first look at their own fighter's premature stoppage over Duhaupas which was arguably even worse and faultier.
     
  2. Okin129

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    Duhaupas got his ass handed to him and took a horrible beating, the referee could have stopped the fight even earlier.

    Joshuas stoppage over Takam was a bit premature.
     
  3. BCS8

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    Duhaupas was starting to fall to pieces. Takam had more left in the tank and it was AJ that was tiring.

    The Takam stoppage was worse imho.

    That said I feel Takam > Duhaupas.
     
  4. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder took just as much, if not a worse beating in return from Duhaupas. Duhaupas gave Wilder a black eye. Wilder only inflicted minor bleeding from the paler skinned Duhaupas's face. Giving a dark skinned opponent a black eye > giving a paler skinned opponent some minor facial bleeding.

    Meanwhile, Takam barely inflicted any damage on Anthony Joshua with legal punches (the headbutt doesn't count).

    In what universe or dimension, was the stoppage of Joshua over Takam premature but Wilder's stoppage over Duhaupas wasn't?

    Didn't Joshua also give Takam a 'beating'? Or are you going to pretend he didn't?
     
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  5. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Takam suffered a knockdown, plus had his face marked up even worse, plus Joshua was barely damaged at all, plus Takam was losing wide on the scorecards.

    Meanwhile, Duhaupas suffered 0 knockdowns against Wilder, plus gave Wilder a worse beating than vice versa by nearly closing his eye shut, plus won multiple rounds against Wilder, to the point where he could've been ahead on the scorecards or at least even.

    So how an Earth can Joshua's stoppage win over Takam be worse?
     
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  6. Okin129

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    Listen, you're a clown and you're obsessed with the Duhaupas fight, that fight was a one sided beatdown, Duhaupas was not competitive, you need to search for a different topic to discuss, it's not even funny anymore.
     
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  7. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Luis back at it again... I think you belong in a different universe. Anyways I think Takam was much worse... I couldn't care less if he was losing on the score cards, He was still in that fight and you need to let a man finish on his feet.

    Fully premature stoppage and I still feel bad for Takam. I was cursing at the screen despite knowing the Joshua was winning, gotta let em finish the race like in Cool Runnings.
     
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  8. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If it was a 'one sided beat down', then care to explain why Wilder's eye in his dark skinned face was nearly closed, shut and even darker than his skin tone, clown?

    And I can't 'listen in a thread where the means of communication is written, CLOWN!

    If Duhaupas was not competitive, then why was Duhaupas inflicting greater visible damage on Wilder's face than vice versa, clown!

    If Duhaupas wasn't competitive, then why was he the superior ring general by forcing Wilder to run for his life on the back foot, running from one corner / rope to another whilst Duhaupas was walking forward the whole time, being the superior ring general? CLOWN!

    You need to learn how to score a fight! The fight was anything but a 'one-sided beat down' from either guy. Nor was the fight anything but non-competitive. Why? Because both inflicted damage on each other (the primary scoring criteria).
     
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  9. BCS8

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    It's worse because AJ wasn't landing clean on Takam and he wasn't hitting him flush. He was the one that was blowing steam.

    Duhaupas did better early against Wilder but he doesn't hit very hard and Wilder was still going strong. By the 11th Duhaupas was falling to bits and he had no prospect of winning. The only prospect he had was of brain damage.

    Simple.
     
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  10. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Duhaupas literally made Wilder miss the last 2 punches (Just like Takam did to Joshua) before their fight was prematurely stopped. But somehow we are to believe this ridiculous narrative that ONLY Takam wasn't out of it, but Duhaupas was? Utterly hilarious!
     
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  11. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    AJ's easily. Chill with the forced hot takes
     
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  12. Aydamn

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    It's hilarious that people disagree with you?

    I apologise we don't meet your standards, forgive us Sir Luis.
     
  13. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Erm, Wilder wasn't landing any 'cleaner' on Duhaupas than Joshua was on Takam. Where is this nonsense arising from?

    Duhaupas doesn't hit hard? Yet, knocked out previously unbeaten version of Robert Helenius that Dillian Whyte couldn't even drop later on when Helenius fought Whyte on short notice.

    Duhaupas doesn't hit hard? Yet, gave Wilder a horrible black eye with half the landed punches. Whilst Wilder with double the landed punches (nearing 1000 punches), only caused minor bleeding from Duhaupas's paler face. So again, where is this nonsense coming from?

    Utter speculation that Duhaupas was on the prospect of brain damage, but Takam somehow wasn't. Why? Because you say so? That's not how it works!

    Duhaupas was falling to bits? The same can be said of Wilder. Wilder's eye was falling to bits and it was on the prospect of permanent damage (if I follow the same logic as you when you claimed Duhaupas was on the prospect of permanent brain damage).

    Sure, Duhaupas probably would've lost a decision due to hometown decision in favor of Wilder. But that fight was roughly even on the scorecard.
     
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  14. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Argument from popularity is a logical fallacy. Perhaps take some logic courses?
     
  15. Okin129

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    Duhaupas won one round and one of the judges scored a 10-8 round for Wilder without a knockdown, that's how one sided it was.

    For every punch Duhaupas landed on Wilder he took 4 or 5 punches from him, you don't know **** about scoring a fight if you believe it was close no matter how the faces looked like after the fight.
     
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