Faumuina To'aletai Mafaufau Tavita Lio Sanerivi Talimatasi Mau David Tua vs. Joseph Dennis Parker

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"Tuaman" / "Tuamanator" or "Explosive" aka "Lupesoliai La'auliolemālietoa (Warrior Chief)"

  1. Tua h2h

    33.3%
  2. Parker h2h

    66.7%
  3. Tua NZ p4p GOAT

    33.3%
  4. Parker NZ p4p GOAT

    33.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Pretty much a two-man race between this pair of Sāmoan-Aucklanders, if we're talking about boxing's greatest kiwis - regardless of weight class. (this assumes we're not counting Fitzsimmons - who can confusingly be co-claimed to an extent by Brits, Americans, Aussies, and New Zealanders alike)

    Parker is on the very short list of NZ pro boxers to capture a world title, while Tua both during his career and since retirement has often been mentioned among the best in the world to not have done so in the modern era.

    Tua's best dozen victories are John Ruiz, Hasim Rahman, Michael Moorer, Oleg Maskaev, Fres Oquendo, Shane Cameron, Darroll Wilson, David Izon, Obed Sullivan, Danell Nicholson, Friday Ahunanya ...and...sheesh, idk, I guess Gary Bell or Nate Tubbs? Parker's are Zhìlěi Zhāng, Andy Ruiz, Hughie Fury, Deontay Wilder, Dereck Chisora x2, Francois Botha, Carlos Takam, Kali Meehan, Alexander Dimitrenko, Alex Leapai and Junior Fa.

    In both their cases there's a significant drop-off in quality after the uppermost half a dozen. So let's contrast those:

    J. Ruiz/Rahman/Moorer/Maskaev/Oquendo/Cameron vs. Zhāng/A. Ruiz/H. Fury/Wilder/Chisora/Chisora.

    A lot of those names get highly variable mileage in terms of how they're rated from one individual to another - so this could be debated anywhere from a slam-dunk on either side, to neck-and-neck. Suffice to say both defeated a handful of heavyweight champions - but in turn both also came up short numerous times, against both HW champs and non-titlists.

    Head to head & prime for prime, it's a fascinating boxer vs. puncher match-up. Parker would enjoy a half-foot advantage in both height & reach, but their average fight night weights were roughly equivalent. Parker undoubtedly has the skill, at his motivated best, to successfully outbox Tua for stretches of time. Tua certainly had the power, if he managed to catch his fellow Jafa Uce square on the button, to spark out anyone downed by Zhāng, Joyce, Whyte, or Chisora.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    IMO - a victory over Dubois next month would nudge Parker's résumé just past Tua's, trailing by a slim margin currently (yes, he does have that WBO reign while Tua never obtained any hardware; I just consider the four champs Tua beat superior overall to Zhāng/Andy/Wilder), but, in a time machine match-up I'd bet on Tua to catch him with a late left hook KO.
     
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  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Fun fact: Tua is actually part of the infamous Samoan wrestling family, The Anoi'as. Cousin of The Rock, Roman Reigns, etc.
     
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  4. dcarlota

    dcarlota Member Full Member

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    That's actually crazy, I just found that out
     
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  5. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Hype Jobs will be hype jobs until proven so. Full Member

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    I'd agree with this. I think Parker is slightly behind Tua in terms of resume but beating Dubois would springboard him otherworldly. Becoming a two-time HW champion would be mightily impressive for Parker.
     
  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    The Mandarin people who make those little orange slices in the diabetes syrup and can them, they have a saying about the yin and the yang, that inside each of us is both a masculine and a faumuina side to us, and that they are both essentially quite masculine, but different colors. Hence the symbol.