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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Robinson was a genius, in so many ways. You've made me ever more convinced that Floyd gets thoroughly annihilated by him.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I genuinely don’t say it lightly because Floyd is of the highest class as a boxer, but his chances against Robinson aren’t that serious. Floyd’s not falling for anything in that post though.
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

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    Take a look at Curtis Cokes. He loved to jab slightly outside his opponents face to herd them into his right. It's pretty basic as far as missed jabs go but it worked well for him.
     
  4. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis "The David Haye of Loma's Gay" -Edgar Allan Poe Full Member

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    Nah you're not seeing things, you're right on the money. There's some extremely clear footage of Robinson throwing these noncommittal jabs on the double-end bag, and you can almost feel the "lack of effort". The double-end bag is the second most unstable of all training bags and it's barely moving here. I've no doubt in my mind Robinson deliberately practised this sort of stuff.

    https://mdc-wolfson-streaming.s3.amazonaws.com/streaming1/WC04764.mp4

    Go to like, 4:50 in. It's got some rare Basilio training footage if you're into that as well. The footage is very sexy, you can really feel the presence and gravity behind the moves of these old fighters. Even the best pre 60s fight film doesn't quite capture that element the way modern cameras do.
     
  5. McGrain

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    What fascinates me especially about Robinson in this fight is that he's informed by the five matches that have gone before. He's putting LaMotta in it from the very first round, it's so great.
     
  6. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis "The David Haye of Loma's Gay" -Edgar Allan Poe Full Member

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    Absolutely. This is why I wish fighters from that era had extended footage, so you can see the sort of stuff they learned while fighting world class opposition and see them grow. Tons of rounds and tons of rematches.

    The entire murderer's row + Archie Moore would be the pinnacle of it, or just about. It'd be capable of feeding me and my descendants until the abolition of Boxing.
     
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  7. META5

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    Following on from Macca's post-of-the-year breakdown on Robbi and LaMotta - it made me think.

    The exact same principle is employed by Robbi in the famous KO of Fullmer. It's my favourite punch captured on film, but the fascinating part is the skill and delayed gratification employed by Robbi.

    Macca's post dismantles the myth that Robbi was just relying on natural athletic gifts, revealing the deep, high-IQ spatial experiments he was actually running inside the ring.

    To build on that point: Robbi used the exact same optical deception, footwork, and bodywork to set up the Fullmer knockout. People look at that single-punch KO and think Robbi just knocked him out going backwards. That's a simplified recount of what was actually a long, deliberate, hypnotic trap.

    Here’s how Robinson actually executed it:

    The visual lie and the body bait
    Fullmer was a highly-skilled, brutal, crouching swarmer who relied on tracking the lead shoulder to anticipate the jab, slip inside, and smother.
    In the early rounds, Robbi fed Fullmer a specific lead-shoulder tell - the exact same non-committal, probing jab highlighted against LaMotta. However, Robbi didn't just use it to measure distance; he used that false jab to open up the long right hand to the body.

    Backwards footwork as a distance marker
    While establishing this pattern, Robbi was deliberately circling and retreating, falsely ceding ground. This took the sting off Fullmer’s rushes, but more importantly, it established a false distance marker. Fullmer felt in total control, pushing the pace, convinced it was safe to keep barreling forward because Robbi supposedly couldn't generate finishing power moving backward.
    Right before the knockout, Robbi lands a long right hand to the body. He circles back, maintains the retreat, and then throws that right hand to the body again.

    Stopping on a dime: The biomechanical hack
    This is where Robbi’s spatial genius comes together in Round 5.
    Having just been conditioned by two right hands to the body while tracking a retreating fighter, Fullmer lunges in again. As Robbi shifts his lead shoulder, Fullmer instinctively drops his left hand, anticipating a third right hand to the body.
    However, right as Fullmer commits his weight forward with his guard down, Robinson stops on a dime. Instead of continuing the retreat, Robbi plants his back foot, shifts his weight forward into the canvas, and pivots. He turns the shoulder over, changing the trajectory into a short, arching, brutal left hook.
    Fullmer didn't excessively dip into the punch; Robbi deliberately baited him into dropping his hands with body shots, then planted his feet to deliver a maximum-leverage hook right as Fullmer stepped forward, moving his head into the sweet spot. Fullmer never saw it coming because until the final split second, every optical cue told him he was chasing a retreating fighter going back to the body.

    As Macca pointed out, Robbi didn't just throw punches to land them; he threw them to miscalibrate his opponent’s internal radar. Whether it was using a shortened jab to draw LaMotta into range for a brutal right hand, or using retreating footwork and bodyshot bait to blindside Fullmer, Robbi was constantly playing chess with his opponent's spatial awareness, deliberately forcing their predictable response to punish them.

    It’s the ultimate proof that Robbi wasn't just an incredibly gifted natural puncher; he possessed a master-level analytical mind to engineer absolute destruction.

    It's exactly why I chuckle when we get into back-and-forth debates about the supposed evolution of boxing. I don't see any filmed evidence to dissuade my contention that Robbi, pre-Doyle, could very well stop, and I mean brutally KO, your favourite modern-day ATG.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

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    I watched LaMotta vs Robi last night for the first time in a couple years and wrote up a couple of the things I found most interesting.



    Pairing the Jab/Hook:

    Robinson throws his jab with a lot of flicking or snapping at elbow, and he keeps those elbows out and flared. For most jabs, he simply flicks his arm forward and touches them; for the harder jabs, he puts the oomph into the punch by snapping at the elbow. He likes to circle to his left when he's working the jab; he can do it while moving or while his foot is anchored. The jab obviously plays a role throughout the bout, but it's the main instrument in the first few rounds.

    LaMotta was attempting to counter jab Robinson; especially after he missed. As the fight progressed, Robinson began using these misses to throw counter-crosses over Jake's counter jabs.

    Like his regular jab, he can throw the body jab while circling; which takes much more coordination and balance as you're level changing in the opposite direction which you're circling. These body jabs come harder than the average jab to the head it seems; as a good stiff body jab is sure to keep some distance; or at least put a little lump on their chest or belly.

    One of the many things about Robinson which is fascinating, is his feints with his lead hand. He'll throw half a jab, he'll twitch at the elbow or shoulder; he'll drop down for a body jab and not throw it.

    With the jabs which fall short and miss; the opponent learns to have less respect for the jab. The feints reinforce that belief; each feint convinces an opponent that a movement isn't necessarily a jab and they need to wait a little longer on each shot. It's a very well told lie. And those lies hide his left hook.

    The left hook was a show stopper in this one. Sometimes Jake would wade in and Robi would just whip his hand across, catching him with the left hook. He'd flick his arm out then back in for a hook; he'd drop his weight down for a body jab then spring back up with a leaping hook. It wasn't uncommon to see Ray jab then slip then come back with a hook, all while pivoting. The hook brings him back in his stance, it sets up the next punch; it exploits quick and brief openings and of course, it's the king of the counters.

    His left uppercut was at times used as a counter to the big right hands LaMotta pitched. It made an appearance in the ninth, as a quick counter to Jake bobbing to his right as he stepped in.


    The Rare Rear Hook to the Body:

    He brought the rear hook to the body on display at the beginning of the third when Jake pulled him into a clinch. He let odd several of them in a row, before switching to the uppercut. After he broke away from the Clinch, he began to set his feet more after the jab and fling those wide arcing right hooks to the body in from outside.

    The rear hook to the body has the potential to be a bridge to the inside, but like many body punches, it can also be a barrier to the inside for the opponent. You can shorten the hook as you step in, slotting yourself into range where all punches can land; or it can be widened and long, catching an opponent under the jab as they step in. It punishes the pivot, the jab and attempts to cut the ring. In Jake's case, he was forced to stomach these shots for all three.

    As Robinson circled, Jake often found himself pivoting on his lead foot to keep up; which led to him turning himself onto the rear hook to the body. Ray would fire that hook underneath his jab, sliding it in as Jake barrelled forward. When LaMotta cut the ring; he has to step out with his right foot then his left follows. During this second step, Ray's rear hook splatters into LaMotta's ribs.

    And then this Rear Hook to the Body would set up two other shots for Robinson which he brought into the fold later on in the fight. The Right Uppercut and the Straight Right. The hook brings the guard down which sets up a straight right over the top of LaMotta's left. A hard body shot will bring a man's head forward and down; which let Robi smash in the uppercut.