Fedor and Couture

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  1. EL BULLY

    EL BULLY Well-Known Member Full Member

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    With all the big pride guys with only the exception of rampage sucking ass in the octagon I'm starting to think Fedor is scared of Couture and the UFC.

    Don't get me wrong Fedor looked a beast in Pride but so did CroCop and Shogun.

    But the way things have gone I'd bet on Couture and I never would have said that 12 months ago.

    It now boils down to this Fedor HAS to fight in the UFC and win to be considered as great.
     
  2. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I hope you realise that Fedor is a human being. (like couture)
    and that he actually had a life BEFORE pride fc.
    Both He and Couture used to fight at the japanese org "rings".

    check their stats

    Couture at RINGS FROM 1999 to 2001
    LOST against Mikhail Illoukhine (submited in the 1rst)
    WINS against Jeremy Horn (wins by UD)
    WINS against Ryushi Yanagisawa (wins by UD)
    WINS against Tsuyoshi Kohsaka (wins by UD)
    LOST against Valentijn Overeem (submited in the 1rst)

    Fedor at RINGS FROM 2000 to 2002
    WINS against Levon Lagvilava (submission in the 1rst)
    WINS against Hiroya Takada (ko in the first)
    WINS against Ricardo Arona (wins by UD)
    LOST against Tsuyoshi Kohsaka (cut - fight is stopped after 17 seconds)
    WINS against Mihail Apostolov (submission in the 1rst)
    WINS against Kerry Schall (submission in the 1rst)
    WINS against Renato Sobral ( wins by UD)
    WINS against Ryushi Yanagisawa (wins by UD)
    WINS against Lee Hasdell (submission in the 1rst)
    WINS against Chris Haseman (by tko)

    Fedor is not shogun. He's not rampage..not crocop..not anderson silva.
    Fedor was successful BEFORE pride.
    Pride fc was the icing on the cake.

    Shogun already lost to Sobral in the past no?
    Anderson already lost in japan several time no?
    same goes for jackson , correct?
    and couture too , right?...
    and crocop too...remember when he was koed by randleman? (another ufc fighter).
    Fedor will end couture's career.The only way couture could beat fedor is by bloody cut.
    but would that be something to be proud of?
    **** no.

    If w're not counting cuts.then fedor will **** couture.
    Fedor will not have a stamina problem like Crocop.
    Fedor will not panic on the ground
    Fedor will not get koed. (actually it could happen but not likely)

    Couture will get submitted or tkoed.and the hype will instantly stop.
    ALL of this , simply because Gonzaga koed a tysoned crocop.
    I can't believe this ****. Gonzaga had a past too. and that guy was already tkoed by werdum (ironically).Crocop's problems are in no way , an indication of fedor's future.
    same goes for shogun.or rampage..

    Couture had a past too. And before the guy was overrhyped like he is today. He used to get koed by the one dimensional chuck liddell. In other words , the HW division is dominated by a past prime wrestler who's career was finished as a LHW. That's how sad ufc's hw division is today.Beating Tim sylvia is irrelevant. Sylvia is a bum. not only that , Dana White gave couture a free ticket to fight Timmy. You all remember this right? Couture never had to fight anyone and got a direct shot at the belt.

    Prime Couture couldn't handle the likes of Ricco , Barnett. In the past , he lost against the likes of Enson , Overeem , Hilhoukine.

    Fedor will do to the ufc what he did in rings and pride fc.
    and if he doesn't , you can bump this thread and laugh all you want.

    But i'll say this...
    If couture wins by a Cut stoppage. Then there's truely nothing to be proud of. In terms of skills , Fedor > Couture.
     
  3. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Listen, when I heard his interview and he was talking about Couture he DID say he doesn't want to fight Couture. He also said "cause he thinks they COULD've become good friends." If anything this does NOT sound like he's scared of him.
    All this bull**** bandwagon of "I'll never bet against Couture again" is ******ed. He wins a couple and then gets beat. He is an epitomy of inconsistancy. The only reason I even thinks he's as great as he is, is because of the age. If the man was 30 I would not have included him in HoF.
    That said, the guy is a great champion and out of all UFC fighter today I don't think there's a better champ than he. And if anyone can give a fight to Fedor its him.
     
  4. oblate

    oblate Active Member Full Member

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    either sub him or knock him out. i'd like to see fedor do ground and pound like he used to. I miss the old fedor ground and pound game like against herring, nog etc.
     
  5. elixirvtec

    elixirvtec Active Member Full Member

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    with all the upsets going on. i wouldn't be surpise if randy pull off the win.
     
  6. Irish Steel

    Irish Steel Active Member Full Member

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    There is no way Randy can win. HE is just too old, and no matter what you say he is past his prime. Fedor is young(er) and hungry.
     
  7. Blaze

    Blaze New Member Full Member

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    Fedor hungry? He's already on top of the food chain.
     
  8. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fedor is gona fight just like Liddell. Staying in middle and punching away. If Couture is gona beat him its gona have to be an overhead right. I don't see him gettin Fedor into the cage for too long.
     
  9. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fedor's never really KO'd anybody besides Zulu, nobodies KO'd Randy but Chuck.

    Fedor is not KO'ing Randy.
     
  10. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, I wouldn't be so sure about anything really. Fedor doesn't have that many KO's cause he always goes for sub right when the opponent is folding. Zulu was one of few cases where he just started pounding away on him while the other was just laying and praying. People such as Chuck go to finish with hands. Nodody KO'ed Randy cause Randy's been facing grappling guys for several years now, not including Liddell(who he lost to twice by KO) and Sylvia(who is POS).

    IMHO Fedor is going to try stay in middle and work striking avoiding gettin his back to the cage at all costs. While Randy trying to get him on the cage. Then again this seems too simple for Randy to actually use this plan. So, like i said, can never be too sure about this.

    How would you think this fantasy(i know right...) fight would go?
     
  11. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Randy in a slow paced grinder, eventual gnp stoppage.
     
  12. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Couture's hype has gone to such an extreme , that i bet a majority of fans would even say that couture's greco > Alexander Karelin.

    It's insane. And to think that 90% of you were saying that the guy was "old" and "past prime".
    You are all eating it up.
    Only because the guy beat Tim Sylvia (please!)
    Gonzaga (who the hell is he? I personally know him because he koed crocop. He's mediocre at best. His vicory over crocop is as relevant as MBride's vs Tyson.) That victory told us more about crocop than Gonzaga himself.

    I like couture but He's fighting in the right time , right moment. He's the perfect opportunist. And the HW division is horrible.

    What's even worst. Is that Nogueira also looked bad against Herring. But yes , he won that fight. But it was a disappointing performance. So bad , that i wouldn't be surprised to see him lose his next fight.

    I'll never buy this Couture > Fedor bull****.
    You know why? Because i can't believe in the hype when i know that the very same man was forced to retire as a LHW (all because of Chuck Liddell).

    And Chuck is as one dimensional as it gets.
    I'll never believe the hype because I've seen couture in his prime , against Rizzo , Randleman , Barnett , Ricco.

    He should've lost his first fight agains Rizzo (granted , couture clearly won the rematch).

    He was struggling like hell , against Randleman. (and ended up winning because he had the superior gas tank)

    He was defeated at his own game against Josh Barnett (ok , roided barnett)

    And of course , who can forget the monumental losses against the likes of Enson Inoue and Overeem's brother?

    I'm not buying it.
    I'll agree on one thing. Couture's wrestling is obviously better than Fedor's. But then again , Fedor is not a wrestler. And he's been outwrestled several times in his career , so no surprise here.

    I can see couture winning because of a cut. But like i said before. That would be pathetic. In terms of skills only , Fedor will treat Couture like GSP did against Matt Hughes and make him look like an amateur.

    I'll repeat this again. I'LL NEVER follow this ****ing insane hype. NEVER. Each time i see couture with the belt i keep thinking of his two losses against Liddell. And it's a hard pill to swallow. Why? because chuck is sooooo ****ing one dimensional and predicable. To this day , I still can't ****ing believe that Couture got caught not once , but twice , by the same crap , and preditcable gameplan.

    Fedor is gonna be the new "jackson rampage II" and will give the fans a new reality check and show who's the who's in this division.
     
  13. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Will you follow it if Couture beats Fedor in a fation that he beat Sylvia? Even though these guys are 1-2 favs in my book I'd still take Fedor over Couture but not by a landslide. It's not gona be "Fedor taking Couture to school." I hope it will be but I highly doubt it.
     
  14. Boyd

    Boyd Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i would put some money on Randy for sure. Fedor would be a big favorite so Randys odds would be nice.
     
  15. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're in for disappointment. No way is Fedor going to be a favorite in bet odds. At best it's going to be even.