Fedor and Couture

Simply put. Couture at his best is not as good as Fedor at his best.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is an MMA n00b.

 

That's his prime? You think that the Randy of those years would beat the Randy of today?

 

Fedor's his last bastion to clutch too since Pride has fallen and it's fighters been brought to realistic expectations, so give him his hope until Fedor gets in the cage.

 

I mean, Fedors a great fighter period, but Randy stands a totally legit chance of beating him.

 

Couture is like Archie Moore and Bill Wallace. He has no definable prime, but gets trickier with age to stay a jump ahead of the younger, stronger competition. But when you take his career in its totality, it's equal to Fedor's because he's managed to stay on top for so long.

 

All I know is Nog is fighting Kongo for the number one contedor's match now, and that fight will basically be Nog [insert submission] Round [insert round]. Randy stands a very good chance of grinding out a decision over Nog, and if he does, there is no reason to rank Fedor #1 anymore unless he stops sitting around Stary Oskol waiting for promotions to promise him property on the moon.

 

That's like asking me "you think the "evander Holyfield" of those years would beat the Evander of today?"

You gotta be kidding me. You're not that naive are ya?
The guy is 44 years old. How in the hell can you compare a guy like Gonzaga to someone like Barnett for example?

Be honest , who in the hell was Gonzaga before his irrelevant victory over a shot crocop? Who the **** was he? We knew that he was tkoed by Werdum in the past. and I've seen the fight too. (wasn't a fluke). And the most insulting thing of all , is that the very same Gonzaga used to frankly look mediocre against nobodies too.

and answer me this , what are the odds of a BJJ fighter , KOing a kickboxer via highkick ?

You don't see what i'm getting at here?
Crocop used to fight bigger , faster , more talented and way more dangerous strikers in the past.

and his loss against Kongo was the icing on the cake. (to lose against such a mediocre kickboxer , back to back). I 'll repeat this. those victories are as relevant as McBride's or danny williams' wins against Tyson.

All of this contributed to Couture's mega hype.
You all know it. I'm not blind. I've seen the old man getting owned twice in a row by Liddell. I've seen that guy reaching the end of his career. I'm not buying the "miracle" come back as a HW.

This is bull****. The reality is that Dana white gave Couture the opportunity to take the belt from Sylvia without having to go through any sorts of eliminations.

You all remember this right? As soon as Couture came out of retirement , they instantly gave him Sylvia. You all remember it?

Couture (before his fight) used to train with Sylvia. HE KNEW everything about the guy. (in other words , his major weaknesses). He knew that he could do it , then came out of retirement , defeated the guy and the rest was history.

If couture is magically the #1 HW , then let's bring Chuck Liddell in the HW division too and let them have another fight and see what happens!

Then once Liddell takes the belt back , we'll bring Jackson so that he can KO chuck again and i bet everyone will say "omg jackson is #1!!"

 

Not saying that he has 0% chances or anything. But his chances are still thin. and if it ever happens , it's likely that he'll win via cut stoppage.

and i don't wanna see a bull**** victory like that.

the point is , whether he can do it or not. Right now , the guy is ultra overrated. It's almost comical. Like i said before. So overrated that the average fan would eat up anything. even believing that the guy's greco is superior to Karelin's.

That's how hysterical the fans are right now.

 

What bastion? like I said in my first message , fedor HAD A CAREER BEFORE PRIDE FC. Same one as COUTURE actually. (they both fought in the japanese org "rings".)


It's not even about defending pride here. (when you look at the stats , UFC hws are certainly no better. and most of them have failed in the ring too).

It's about Fedor only , as a "person". He had a sambo career , mma career , judo career BEFORE pride fc. Ever wondered why fedor is called "the last emperor" ? That's because he was the last "rings" champion. And he did the same thing in Pride.

Fedor is not crocop. (or any versions of crocop for that matter , prime or not is irrelevant).

Fedor doesn't have mental problems. no stamina problems.
He's not Nogueira either. He's not herring , not Anderson Silva or Jackson.

I'm mentioning these two because even though they're not HWs , we all remember how their career used to look like back in japan.

Today? you've got people saying "who can beat anderson?!!"
I'm not saying that anderson and jackson are overrated. or mediocre. but here again , i'm not gonna believe that the very same guys , would've owned the competition in japan like they're doing today in the ufc.

Now of course , after Shogun's loss. All of this is irrelevant now.
The way i see it , is that Jackson and anderson made a perfect transition from ring to the octagon.

Some fighters don't. Or maybe some fighters , used to take steroids and look different without it.

The point is that unlike all these champs , Fedor had no holes in his career. no moments where you can look back and say "but he couldn't beat this or that guy"

You can't even blame it on weak competition.
Yeah , fedor also had his share of cans , but he also had B level , and A level. and when had to fight the A level , it was in their prime.

Couture also had his share of cans. Let's not pretend that the guy's record is an entire reflection of his oh so "elite" competition either.

Couture vs Enson?
Couture vs Illoukhine?
Couture vs Overeem? (and no that's not Alistair we're talking about here)

You can say , "oh but couture wasn't as good back then , and wasn't in his prime nor as experienced".

Sure , I'll accept that. But then again , the very same thing can be said about Fedor. You think the guy was in his ****ing prime back in 2000 ?

 

Thats what a person inside of me is saying. But person on the outside has been suppressed by al the upsets =/

 

If couture beats Fedor via cut stoppage. Then **** no. That's no victory in my book. TK did it. Nogueira did it. (though pride ended up counting that one as a no contest).
If couture totally outclasses fedor , submits him or dominates him non stop during 5 rounds and wins a UD. Then I'll shut the **** up for sure.

But i'll tell you one thing. chuck's two KO victories over couture have already tarnished the guy's record to a point where i'll never concider couture as the #1 "goat".
You have to understand. Liddell is the ANTI-MMA in my book.
A guy who's scared of the ground.
who's supposed to be a kickboxer but never or rarely ever uses his kicks or knees.

a guy who panics and looks like **** on the ground.
a guy who's game plans are extremely predictable.
He's almost an insult to the sport.
(the worst is tim sylvia though).
You see , when everyone were going ape **** during liddell's time. (when he was ufc's #1) , i was more embarrassed for the sport itself than being a "fan" of his.

Because when i see a guy like this dominating.
i'm reminded that top boxers or top kickboxers could very well pull the same ****.
why not right? if a guy who's as one dimensional as liddell can do it?
The excuse that i see a lot is "but liddell's got a wrestling background and boxers don't".

Huh , ok , but liddell also has a kickboxing background and still looks like **** with his so called "kickboxing technic".

I've seen liddell on the ground. It's a ****ing sad.
Liddell's gotta a good clinch but not much else.

 

Boxingcar...

You can't play the "Cro-Cop is shot" card, when the man was at his absolute prime in MMA when he came over to the UFC. We can't pretend that he didn't just get done ripping through Pride's finest (outside of Fedor), at the OWGP. As a matter of fact, MANY MMA fans and experts were saying that if Fedor fought Cro-Cop again, that Mirko would beat him. Now, you just don't go from being that damn dominant, and great, to being shot just because you lose two fights.

I think that the reason is rather clear. Cro-Cop was shown to be one dimensional... and the cat is out of the bag that he is a front running bully. If you let Cro-Cop stalk you, and pick his shots while you play his game, then he is going to look fantastic. However, when you have someone in there who isn't afraid to get in his face, and push him backwards... he looks very average, gets frustrated, and basically folds up shop. That has nothing to do with being shot... that has to do with Cro-Cop not being good at fighting out of his comfort zone.

 

Yeah but him being 'one-dimensional' does not account for him getting beaten at his own game by a lesser striker in Kongo, and his inability to even phase Gonzaga on his feet. I don't think he is physically shot, but he may be mentally spent.

 

You are ****in gay.