Fedor: I Don’t Train Jiu Jitsu, Sambo Is Superior

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  1. Thom

    Thom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sylvia just got his blue belt a few months ago.
     
  2. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did he?

    Here's the thing, and those outside of BJJ rarely know this, but in order to get promoted in belt, one has to train BJJ with a gi. He trained for years and years without a gi in the guise of MMA training. He may have just recently received his Blue Belt in BJJ, but his knowledge is more akin to that of a high level purple belt or a low level brown belt. Somewhere in that range, or possibly even a low as a mid level purple belt, but he's not what his belt represents.
     
  3. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Except this has no relevance whatsover since the gay dude Fedor fought fell right to the ground in a fetal position that a female usually takes when they wanna get ****ed.

    In real life, if this **** happened in the bar for instance, Fedor would have stuck his boot in that ***'s face, or took a bar stool and slammed him with it. Or at the club, people woulda started to stomp this kid out, while his gay ass is covered in spilled beer and ciggarettes.
     
  4. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Damn Rorions sons are going nowhere in MMA. Thats kinda sad considering their Dads legacy but they seem happy.
     
  5. Very undermining publishing that quote.
     
  6. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Fedor has mixed results against the individual BJJ fighters. Fedor was victorious in 4 of 5, but he only looked spectacular in two of these wins.

    Regardless of who you think won their fight, Fedor was dominated positionally against Arona.

    Fedor won a decision over Babalu.

    Fedor dominated Nogueira.

    Fedor was submitted in just over a minute against Werdum.

    A couple of the fights took place early in his mma career, but he and Arona were within a fight of each other when their bout took place. Fedor was 3-0. Arona was 2-0.

    I can't say that I have ever seen anything that would make me think one of these arts is superior to the other. I think BJJ is the superior grappling art, but grappling is only one aspect of fighting. Sambo would have better striking, as well as a better clinch and takedown game.

    The rules of combat Sambo probably make it's competitions closer to mma fights than typical BJJ practice. I would have to wager more mma gyms have a special time set aside for BJJ techniques as opposed to mma gyms setting aside some Sambo time.
     
  7. James23

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    You're right. Sambo is far closer to MMA then it is to BJJ. BJJ is pure grappling. Sambo is kind of stuck inbetween the two but is closer to MMA in the fullness if it's techniques offered.

    BJJ is extremely specialized and extremely effective in it's area. You go to the ground against the best BJJ guy in the world, you're not surviving. You go to the ground against the best Sambo guy, you're not surviving. The best Sambo guy goes to the ground with the best BJJ guy, the BJJ fighter has a decent advantage. Not significant, but a clear advantage nonetheless. Now, if a BJJ fighter has to stand with a Sambo fighter, eh, the Sambo fighter now has a decent advantage. BJJ does work on stand up, but it's almost purely defensive and a lure to engage in close standing grappling to obtain an advantageous position.

    And yes, MMA gyms do devote time specifically for BJJ, but often it's no-gi. No-gi is actually a relatively recent kind of idea in the lifetime of BJJ. Sort of made popular by MMA. There is no belting system (yet, though I think there should be, but someone has to develop a system...Dave Camirello has one, of which Jon Fitch is a black belt) for no-gi. So, odds are if you go to an MMA gym, you won't often see people gi-ing up to train BJJ. They'll have their shirts/underarmor on and they'll just grapple. They'll start to roll and an instructor will offer instruction on a particular error or something they might want to try to enhance what they're doing. It's really neat stuff. Highly recommended!
     
  8. Jovanie

    Jovanie Boxing rookie Full Member

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    in a real streat fight someone would just take out a gun
     
  9. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure, sweetheart.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffh4hNwCHWg[/ame]
     
  10. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Aren't you just mister tough guy. :rofl
     
  11. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Most Sambo is pure grappling; combat sambo, with striking, is by far the smaller of the types of Sambo.

    No-gi only, as in never wearing a gi, is fairly new, but Lute Livre which is basically no-gi is about the same age as bjj. Also bjj guys have always trained without the gi at times, just never referred to it as something particularly different.
     
  12. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very true. Very, very true. I'm not as up on Sambo as I am on most other forms of martial arts, but very true. I believe Fedor is a practicioner of both and a damn good one at that.

    And while they may have trained without a gi at times, and they also never referred to it as anything different, it is significantly different then what one would do with a gi. The types of control changes drastically. The basis for technique is also changed a great deal. While it's not entirely different, it is different enough to merit a separate belting system and everything that goes along with it.
     
  13. Pacotez

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    He did'nt say that
    it's a different tranlation in every site
     
  14. Pacotez

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    Hey snake
    a friend translated it to me and he didn't say that Sambo is superior

    this is what he said:
    - Jiu-Jitsu is a terrible thing?
    - Sambo is a terrible thing - Fyodor kidding - Jiu-jitsu has nothing of special. I lost by coincidence.
     
  15. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, I'm translating to you, as a native speaker I know he said:

    "I train in Sambo and I consider Sambo the best style of combat and grappling. Sambo never failed me, and in this instance it was my mistake and not lack of quality of Sambo."