Fedor = overrated

Yep I agree, no invincibility there when u get subbed, KO'd and stopped on your stool for getting hammered too much

 

Except Fedor is being beaten by veterans. Not new guys who have 'evolved'. Would anyone call Werdum and evolved fighter? His base has ALWAYS been BJJ. That's no changed. Likewise the same is said of Henderson. Fundamentally he is exactly the same fighter he was at the start of his career as he is now. Except far far more experienced. As for Silva he's just a genetic freak. The only other acromegalic giant i know that competed in MMA was Choi. Plenty of advantages to be had there when he's 300lbs. Has a solid ground game and canned hams for fists.

 

Wow beaten in 3 different ways! This is Mixed Martial Arts you dolt! Are you clowns even listening to yourselves!??!?! There's a myriad of ways you can be beaten in this sport thats why it's called MMA? FFS. atsch
And yeah his legacy is really going to be harmed when he's been beaten in the twilight of his career. Don't know why you guys even bother to post or even call yourself fans.

 

Beaten by 3 veterans that have all evolved with the sport. What has Fedor added/improved on since the Pride days? ANd not sure about chalking his loses up to being in his twighlight either. He isn't shot, gunshy or gassing out. 2 of the 3 losses came when he had a guy hurt and was going in for the kill. Agree about the Silva thing I don't think Fedor could ever have beaten him, just too small.

 

Evolve with the sport?

Hendo is still a right hand, wrestle clinch guy

Werdum relies on his BJJ, still has zero stand up

BigFoot gets away with a lot because of his size

How have these 3 evolved with the sport exactly :huh

 

No no and no. NONE of those guys are anything remotely close to the evolution of MMA. Watch Henderson in RINGS or the early UFC. He's exactly the same fighter. As for Werdum that doesn't even require an explanation. And Silva get's a pass merely because of his size. Although he too doesn't represent the evolution of this sport other than the introduction of 300lb giants.
I just don't understand why fans say this when the closest fighter who could really do it all WAS Fedor. Other than maybe GSP ( who's submission game isn't as half as good as Fedor's ) i can't think of any other fighter at the highest level in this sport that was truly competent enough in all facets of MMA.

 

Another person wrote it. It's a shame what MMA dose to fighters. In Boxing the old fighters get the respect that they should get. In MMA it's they are overrate...never was that good and so on. This is a Zuffa Bull**** thing. Maybe as the sport gets older that fans will become smarter and respect what the old figther did to grow this sport. If you are going to listen to what Dana and Zuffa has to say then you are as dumb as a bag of ****.

 

You have to understand 'UFC' fans are fed a fantastic amount of bull****. It's only one up from WWE/ECW. Everything about the brand is about promotion. If that has to be at the expense of other fighters or other promotions they have no problem doing that.

 

terrible this is...dana would have **** on hendo equally bad ih lost...and who said brock is the baddest man on the planet?


but people who only know ufc eat it up

 

Talking more about training techniqes and fight preperation. Guys that probably spar with top notch strikers and roll with top level BJJ/wrestlers. Fedor always looked like ****, but he got by as he was eitehr fighting super fit guys with no tecnique or skilled guys that lacked physical attributes. Nowadays fighters have all of the above.

 

That's just gibberish, answer the question relating to the 3 guys I mentioned

 

Just so you know I am not in this category. Fedor was widely reguarded as the best ever. I just think that in his last 3 fights he lost to a guy that was better than him at BJJ, then a guy that was phisically superior and dominated him, then to a smaller guy that showed he has better chin/striking. Fedor cannot be considered the best at any one aspect of MMA and there are better rounded guys out there now. That's all.

 

How is it gibberish? They all train better than Fedor. So a guy like Henderson that has an olympic level wrestling background and a big right hand has to drop those to be seen as evolving? Of course you revert to type when in the cage but he has added to his game and updated his training teqniques along the way. Fedor has stayed still. Hendos defence and head movement is better, he reversed Fedor on the ground and sparked him out. You think he could have pulled that move years ago in th ePride days?

 

Because your point was he was beaten by guys who have evolved when Fedor hasnt, I asked you to explain how and you wrote something about training camps

This is Hendos fight with Wanderlei from 2007

[url]http://www.sportpost.com/video/view/WANDERLEI+SILVA+vs+DAN+HENDERSON+at+PRIDE+33+2007[/url]

Explain to me how much Dan's style has ''evolved'' since then.

This is Werdum from 2005

[url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcs9df_fabricio-werdum-vs-sergei-kharitono_sport[/url]

Explain to me the difference between then and now

 

Of course Werdum would be better at BJJ. That's his background? But since when was BJJ an absolutely prerequisite for success? By your reasoning then Nog should have beaten Fedor right? And Nog is twice the BJJ expert that Werdum is.
As for Henderson being a better striker that is absolutely a fallacy. Prime Fedor had the most vicious GnP seen since Mark Kerr and Coleman. You cannot dismiss Fedor's main body of work just because he was on the end of the wrong result vs Henderson at the end of a star studded career. That's just monday morning QB reasoning.

This entire post is flawed logic mate. Im not sure how long you've been watching MMA. But to make a statement like that is simply absurd. Fedor was absolutely considered the epitome of a well rounded athlete in MMA at his height. That is an indisputable fact.