fedor striking technique

No...I simply said AA should have kept the fight standing to increase his chances at winning had he not been so over excited with the flying knee. If the fight ended up on the ground that's Fedors relam but that doesn't mean AA didn't have the stand up skills and take down defense to nullify Fedors attemps.

Ultimately you are right....AA's stand up whether its better or not wasn't very important b/c of how things ended. But to say that in MMA, the stand up demension of this multi demension sport is not important is completely false.

You can't take anything away from Fedor b/c he's proven but Fedor's stand up is NOT better than AA's....Just like AA's ground game is NOT better than Fedors.

 

Fedor avoided some of the punches Andre threw at him but the important thing...at least for AA was that he was able to control the fight with his stand up. Who knows how the fight would have played out had it gone longer. Anything can happen in the fight game...Fedor could have taken the fight to the ground and dominated or AA could have caught Fedor. All of that is just "what ifs"....Fedor is the man b/c he consistantly performs and wins. AA had a shot but he blew it....but I was very impressed with his boxing and surprised that Fedor had trouble with AA.

 

Thats not what i said is it though? If its not important notable strikers like Manhoef CC and Silva wouldnt have had sooo much success in MMA. My comparison was of course between the two fighters being discussed Fedor and AA.

Fedors standup is not better than AA's from a purest boxing/striking perspective. But the facts remain Fedor outstruck a striker and has done so before against some of the best heavyweight strikers in the world. Fedors dimension is simply better than AA's. The rest is academic.

 

"Anymore" being the crux of your point. CC in his prime was a walking highlight reel. To say Fedors striking is flawed is backwards. The bottom line is it works. This is MMA NOT boxing. Fedor is GREAT in the MMA ring. Likewise his striking wouldnt work in boxing from a purest perspective but its an entirely semantic argument as this isnt boxing its MMA.

And for the record Fedor doesnt need to improve. The dimension he has is good enough already. Matter of fact it isnt just good its GREAT. Fedor is the Muhammed Ali of MMA. Yes he has room to improve if you view MMA through a rose tinted lense but his place in the MMA elite is already secured.

 

Anything can happen in the fight game! B/c the Grappler won the fight on striking doesn't mean he's the better striker nor can you say that its unimportant beforehand.....its easy to say its unimportant after the fight is done and over with. Had AA won......the striking aspect would have been important. Its just how things played out which is consistant with Fedor. It just means he is capable and has the power to capitolize on mistakes. Part of what makes Fedor dangerous is his fighting instinct which seems 2nd nature. But he wasn't comfortable with how the first 3 mins of the fight with AA was going.

But yea...Fedors demension that is his bread which is the ground game is better than AA's bread and butter demension which is his boxing. AA for an MMA fighter has very good/solid boxing skills. I don't think he'll be a boxing World Champion this late in his fighting career but it intrigues me to think he definitely "could" have been something special in boxing had he focused soley on that sport.

 

Its not a diss to say Fedor has flaws in his striking game. Its just the way it is. he has strengths that make up for flaws he has. Just like everyone else in any fighting sport.

Even the great fighters have flaws. Fedor is not unbeatable he's just less beatable than anyone else in the game. If he were to loose most likely it would be to a better striker...not anther ground technician like himself.

 

Thats just the problem. AA has bought into his own hype and his own socalled fabled boxing skills. Time and again we've seen AA put away by mediocre strikers. The guy came from a Sambo background but doesnt use any of his ground game and instead prefers to stand and strike when his chin is so weak and frankly his boxing is average. When you compare his boxing to some of the best heavyweights in boxing AA wouldnt even be good enough to be a journeyman. My self personally i dont see this socalled striking ability from AA. I see a big guy who is very athletic with fast hands and looks like a Spartan. But thats it.

 

Debatable. Mark Hunt a noted striker had Fedor in a deep Americana. Fedor scrambled and go out. Notable wrestler Fujita hit Fedor high on the temple and had him on ***** street for at least a minute before Fedor recovered and subbed him with a RNC. Both times Fedor had the awareness to recover and then submit his opponent moments later. He did the same vs Randleman despite being practically spiked on his head and then nearly tore Kevins arm off moments later with a Kimura.

Of course Fedor is beatable because his human. But he does what he does so much better than every other fighter in the heavyweight division. Its not by coincidence Fedor keeps obliterating all the Sambo competitions. His last one he beat 3 opponents in under a minute. Fedor is truly exceptional and so far no one comes close.

The more probable way that Fedor would loose is via cuts. He was cut badly vs Big Nog and their fight was declared a no contest. And he was cut badly earlier on in his career and lost via cut. Fedor marks up very badly. Watch his fight with K1 giant Hong Man Choi. Fedor was marked up badly in under a few minutes, which of course was compounded by Choi's huge size.

 

AA's boxing and striking (moreso his boxing) is very good in MMA. I think that is why I felt he'd do well had he started earlier with boxing. The "chin" will always be a problem especially for HWs.

Against MMA guys Andre's boxing looks like he's operating on a completely different level. Which could have me over hyping his boxing. Technically he looks sound and he was boxing Fedor intelligently.

In boxing he'll have to step his game up to anther level. He'll have to work on his "D" to protect his chin and implement head movemnt that is effective in the boxing ring.

No matter what AA did against Fedor, if the fight ended up on the ground there would have been little he could do to combat Fedors supreme advantages in that world. Even with his Sambo background....if AA focused completely on his ground game it still wouldn't be enough to overcome Fedor.

 

I've watched the fight countless of times. That's why I said many.

Fedor didn't eat anything at all. Yes, Fedor did NOT look comfortable, but he wasn't taking any more punishment than he was dishing out at all. Like quebekwarrior said there are plenty of gif where they slowed every interaction and if you rewatch it you'll see that none of the Arlovski hard punches really landed even though it seems they have at a first glance.
Fedor bruises and cuts VERY easily, he didn't have a mark on his face after the fight.
If the fight was gona go the SAME way, yea, Arlovski looked better for the judges and might have won a decision, thats about it.

 

I agree with that. Fedor has a very rare fighting spirit. Overcoming being shook, buzzed or totally out on his feet isn't something you can train for. Its all internally programed for some people. I know for me.....My legs are like jelly when I've been seriously rocked. Fedor is a special fighter and he's the best at what he does...No doubt! But even the best loose! I saw that fight with Choi! Classic!

In no way was I saying Fedor would have lost the fight to AA just b/c of how things went for the initial 3 mins or so....I was simply impressed that AA's boxing was able to control Fedor when I've really never seen any control Fedor to that extent. He's been hurt but it wasn't b/c Fedor was being controled and systematically got caught as a result. I actaully said Fedor would dominate AA......so it just caught me by surprise with how things began in Andres favor. Fedor will be hard to beat for anyone at HW in MMA. He's just a rare kind of fighter...you said it..he's the Ali of MMA...just more consistant.

 

True.
I'll give you that.

 

I'll rewatch it...it's been a while and it won't take that much time. But my point wasn't that AA hurt or damaged Fedor extensively at all. My point was Fedor doesn't get dominated on the floor and he doesn't get dominated on his feet! He's been rocked but that was due to getting clipped by a strike. I was simply impressed that AA was able to take Fedor out of his comfort zone, Control the pace, distance and how the fight begining to unfold. I never seen that "fedor" before. he's always a cool customer...even when he's hurt...he's composed and has the ablility to recoup and change the tide.

 

I agree.