Fedor vs Barnett , is anyone predicting an upset ?

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  1. slugger408

    slugger408 Member Full Member

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    shoot...why not? Matt Lindland controled him well with a body lock before fedor hip tossed him. i think Josh has better leverage and knows how to suck back his hips better than lindland. if he got the oppurtunity to get a body lock, he can suplex Fedor. Randleman did

    the guy just constantly goes for locks and i love his intensity and conditioning for a big man. he seems very intelligent and i'm sure he has an awesome game plan
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvIbn30xsDc&feature=related
     
  2. slugger408

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    if we're talking straight grappling...no way Fedor is better than Josh. Josh would do well in ADCC and i think Fedor would get smoked. in MMA Fedor has a better chance because he knows how to put things together. I feel Josh can netralize his **** tho
     
  3. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Excellent video. I love watching Josh wrestle. But trust me Josh wont be doing that to Fedor.
     
  4. slugger408

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    what worries me about Fedor is his heavy hands. if he can snake in one of those bombs between Barnett's guard...:think

    i didn't like how Cro Cop cornered Barnett againts the ropes and dug to his body with punches and seeing Josh wince...makes me feel that he is weak there. Fedor can do some dammage with his hands and if he gets an oppurtunity to use some dirty boxing he can hurt Josh
     
  5. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    One thing who worry me about fedor is his brittle hand. Yes he is heavy handed, but it seem he breaks his right hand often if im not mistaken..
     
  6. Blue145

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    Nog is far superior at subbing than Josh and he couldn't do much.

    I'm going for Fedor in this fight, I feel Josh will **** it up somehow, perhaps putting a Kimura on himself.
     
  7. slugger408

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    this is with Nog trying for submissions of his back. he never got the oppurtunity to employ his top game. if Nog could've swept or take Fedor down and get Fedor on his back, then i think he chances would have been better.

    their styles of grapling are very different. i believe Barnett's style of grapling can be very effective in helping him secure a takedown then maybe control and ride him a bit to break his spirit before he attempts a submission

    Barnett is very methodical setting up his submission attempts and at the same time very unpredictable. somtimes he will just grab a limb and crank. i believe this will keep Fedor honest and selective of when he may decide to want to go to the ground
     
  8. slugger408

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    you know...i would go as far to say that. Nog's grapling is good but from what i hear, he isn't even that good when it comes to Jiu Jitsu tournaments with the gi. he got worked over by Ricco Rodriguez when they competed ADCC

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyvWTlTKwys

    his grapling isn't bad but i wouldn't put him ahead of Barnett. btw...i thought it was the **** when he hit that anaconda chocke on heath. after he did that **** i was like WTF and have been attempting that move ever since
     
  9. Ubersteve

    Ubersteve The Main Event Mafia Full Member

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    The thing with Mark Hunt is it was something he wasn't expecting. Like Ortiz with Lyoto, it doesn't mean anyone superior at bjj to Ortiz (most people), will automatically have a better chance of subbing him. Both guys were just careless because they dismissed getting subbed as a possibility.
     
  10. slugger408

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    never thought about that. that could be the case

    either way, i still bet Barnett looks at that as a huge opening he can use

    i will also throw this in there. Barnett is the bigger man and he may be able to use that size advantage to help him on the ground

    if it goes to the ground and he gets a dominant possition, i can see that little bit of size helping him along with his ground technique

    he needs to take the fight there first of course and that is a very difficult thing to do againts Fedor. still, i believe that he has the ability to do that and am rooting for him to
     
  11. Weber

    Weber Active Member Full Member

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    I don't really see size as being a factor in this fight. Fedor has fought lots and lots of guys who were bigger than Barnett. The thing about Fedor is that he's A LOT stronger than what he looks to be. He's probably one of the p4p strongest fighters in MMA today. He suplexed Heath Herring, who is about the same size as Barnett. Same with Nog, Fedor just picked him up and threw him to the ground like he was a ragdoll. It is not uncommon for him to overpower much larger opponents.
     
  12. slugger408

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    i see your point about Fedor being strong for his weight and about Fedor dominating bigger opponents

    on the flip side, i've always noticed that size makes a HUGE difference when it comes to 2 grapplers of skill who grapple againts each other. a technique performed with size would generate with more leverage than a technique performed with less

    Fedor could dominate a lot of bigger opponets because they didn't possess the same skill and ability that Fedor possessed. when Fedor faced an opponent who was ready with ground skills and possessed some size he wasn't as dominant. it was a early in his career but look at his fight with Ricardo Arona.

    i see the size helping Barnett as far as him being thrown by Fedor or him throwing Fedor.

    if it got to the ground i can see the size helping him ride out positions and sweeps and also pinning him on his back and wearing him out while working for a submission.
     
  13. slugger408

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    i'm just talking ground here but i'd like to compare Fedor's subs to Barnett's

    2 of Fedor's techniques that i've seen him use a lot are his armbar from his open guard and his rear naked chocke from back control.

    i believe Barnett is a master at attacking the open guard and can position up and go for heel hooks and leg locks and neck cracks

    if Fedor takes back control to try and work for an RNC i see Barnett rolling into a heel hook from that position

    i believe Barnett has a hell of a chance to finish it on the ground
     
  14. thebrodstar

    thebrodstar Active Member Full Member

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    I think Barnett can get top mount, but his big mistake will be going for a sub. If he goes for a sub thats where Fedor will gain advantage and sub him from his back. there is also Fedor's heavy hands but Josh is heavy handed as well.