Fedor wasnt knocked out-Herb Dean's premature stoppage robbery-Dana compliments Heb

Here are some plain ****ing facts for you.

Fedor has been stopped three times in three different ways in his last three fights.

In only one of those fights was he physically outmatched. And in one of them he was fighting a 40 year old smaller man.

Two of these were VERY winnable for him, he was the favourite to win, and as the fight played out, he SHOULD have won.

He didn't lose them because he had lost his speed and power.

He lost them both because he abandoned all technique and had no respect for his opponent's capabilities. His fighting was crude and arrogant. This lack of respect opened the door for both of them to stop him. And they did. This reflects badly on Fedor's legacy.

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Werdum, Bigfoot and Henderson don't count as part of Fedor's career? :huh

If he had beaten Werdum and Henderson, as was entirely within his ability, would you have counted that in his plus column, and used those fights to elevate Fedor even higher?

Of course you would have.

So, when he fights poorly and is stopped because of sloppy mistakes brought on by neglecting any kind of defence or respect for his opponent's ability, why does that not count against him? :huh

Very, very simple difference there, which I believe you already understand, but I'll spell it out anyway.

Robinson was in his mid-40s, was nowhere near the title, and was taking those fights because he was broke.

Fedor had not even reached the midpoint of his 30s and was taking those fights because he was regarded as the greatest heavyweight on the planet and the man for all other heavyweights to beat. I can't find anything that suggests he was anything less than a heavy favourite to win ALL his Strikeforce tournament fights, Bigfoot included. He was -500 against Bigfoot. Nobody figured he was shot, because he WASN'T shot. He just lost.

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And that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that Fedor was a bum, I'm not saying that his undefeated streak means nothing, I'm not even saying that he isn't a top 3 MMA ATG.

All I'm saying is that his losses can't be ignored. They DO count against him. They are not the same as Ali losing to Berbick or SRR losing to Memo Ayon.

It was his own fault that he lost those fights (with the possible exception of Bigfoot). Not only that, but if it was a fighter like Chris Leben, he would have been SLAUGHTERED for his effort against Henderson. It would have been nothing but people talking **** about what a wild, crude brawler Leben is, and how he has no brains in the cage, and how the win was there to be taken, and how his arrogance cost him the fight and he deserved it.

But since it isn't Leben, it's Fedor, what happens?

"Oh that one doesn't count, he lost that fight by stoppage and the two before that as well, but he was sort of getting old-ish, a little bit, so we can just pretend that those THREE FIGHTS never happened."

Not ONE fight, but THREE fights.

Is there any other fighter you can think of who can:

* Be stopped 3x in a row (in 3 different ways no less) before his 35th birthday,

* All 3 stoppages by men he was a heavy betting favourite against, with

* One of them being a much smaller 40 year old,

and it DOESN'T negatively impact his legacy AT ALL? :huh

Or is it just Fedor who has this privilege? :huh :good

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Are you serious?

This is the first time you mention Turpin, Maxim or Jones. In your initial post, the one I responded to, you mentioned 3 nobodies who SRR fought in his mid-40s. Which is why I agreed that they were completely irrelevant. atsch

And if you want to talk about those fights, well:

* He avenged the Turpin defeat by KO, which is VERY important.

* Maxim was somewhat of a special circumstance, how often do you see a referee unable to finish the fight because of the heat? That's a one-off, but he should have rematched and yes, losing this fight does count against him. There should have been a rematch, but I don't know why that rematch never happened.

* Jones he certainly should have beaten. However, there's a difference between badly underestimating a mediocre opponent who brings his A-game against you, and looking bored and uninterested when you have the opportunity to add an ATG like Dan Henderson to your resume. Robinson gets more of a pass for underestimating Jones than Fedor gets for phoning in his effort against Henderson.

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That's fine.

Fedor didn't lose against either Werdum or Henderson because of his age. Physically he was VERY capable of winning those fights, and he showed us that during the fights. His age was irrelevant to the result. When he wanted to pull the trigger, he had enough speed and accuracy to find Dan Henderson's chin, and enough power to drop him heavily. If he was badly physically declined, he never would have gotten himself in a position where he was on top of a curled-up Henderson, bouncing power punches off his head. :good

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Still arguing your nonsensical and fanboy-oriented logic, Poppykins?:roflatsch