Feeling sluggish in the gym lately

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Brand NOOBian, Jul 4, 2012.


  1. Brand NOOBian

    Brand NOOBian Member Full Member

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    *Was gonna post this in the nutrition sticky but thought it might be related to something other than nutrition.

    I started doing more "roadwork" recently to try and increase my conditioning, but it seems to be getting worse lately. Maybe it's because of my diet, the recent increase in the amount of exercise I get a week and not enough rest, the heat + humidity in gym now that it's summer, or something else. I really have no idea.

    Here's a typical day for me:

    Breakfast (7:50 am):
    -2 hard boiled eggs OR a bowl of kashi go lean crunch cereal with lowfat milk
    -V8 juice
    -piece of fruit
    -Centrum multivitamin + omega 3 fish oil supplement

    Lunch (12 pm):
    -grilled chicken breast + white rice + steamed vegetables OR a large bowl of buckwheat noodles and mixed vegetables
    -black coffee

    Snacks throughout the work day:
    -roasted unsalted almonds
    -soy milk
    -crispi roll 12 grain snack

    Training (7:30-10:00 pm, 4-5 days a week, sometimes 6):
    -pre-workout protein shake
    -2 hours of boxing (jump rope, shadowboxing, heavy bag, speed bag, sparring)
    -30 min strength training (various workouts with body weight and dumbbells)
    -post-workout protein shake

    "Roadwork" (1-2 times a week on days I don't box)
    -jog for 3-4 miles OR jog for 2 miles + 100m sprint intervals for 2 miles


    Dinner (10:30 pm):
    -grilled chicken breast OR a can of costco's albacore tuna in water
    -V8 vegetable juice
    -piece of fruit
    -omega 3 fish oil supplement


    Go to bed (1:00 am)


    Any thoughts?
     
  2. LongJab

    LongJab Active Member Full Member

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    So, do you train every day? With less than 7 hours of sleep? How old are you? How stressful is your "life" (meaning work, school, family life etc)?

    That is a pretty demanding schedule, especially depending on where you live in this heat. I would have 1 total recovery day where you do nothing.

    If you are a 18-20 year old student, then you should be fine.
     
  3. JDK

    JDK Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't know much about nutrition (if at all), and i can say you're more disciplined in that area than me.
    However, your sleep pattern stands out a lot. I guess some people manage to get their days done on fewer hours of sleep, but personally, I don't want to just "manage". I prefer to sleep 8.5 hours and feel tested the rest of the day.
     
  4. Jdsm

    Jdsm Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The names of the foods you eat are irrelevant - How many calories are you eating? What's your age? What's your weight?
     
  5. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.

    After skimming over your diet it seems you eat very little, though.
     
  6. Wisdom

    Wisdom Member Full Member

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    use full fat milk instead of soy

    soy milk isn't good for you if you believe what you read
     
  7. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Perhaps stop going to bed at 1 in the ****ing morning.
     
  8. counterpuncher

    counterpuncher New Member Full Member

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    I was thinking the same thing.
    Maybe eating the eggs AND the kashi would be better than choosing one or the other, and a can of tuna with a piece of fruit at dinner isn't enough, in my opinion, especially after boxing.
    Eating and sleeping more will go a long way towards better gym time.
     
  9. Brand NOOBian

    Brand NOOBian Member Full Member

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    My original question was going to be am I getting enough calories when I was gonna post this in the nutrition thread. Decided to make it more open-ended when posting it here though.

    Calories: roughly 1700-2000 a day, slightly more on cheat days
    Age: 28
    Weight: 73 kg (161 lbs)


    I've been doing this diet/sleep schedule for a while now and only recently noticed a change in my performance. The only factors that have changed are:

    -I used to eat a sandwich or salad after work and trained 8:30-10:30 pm. I dont do this anymore and just head straight to the gym after work.
    -I've added cardio workouts outside of the gym
    -My gym is in the basement and its hotter and more humid lately


    I know I should probably eat more for breakfast but cant seem to wake up early enough. And I should go to bed sooner but I literally only have 1-2 hours of free time at home after the gym, which I use to do household chores or relax.


    Oh yeah. My main goal when starting boxing was to lose weight. Now that I'm around my goal weight, I should probably adjust my diet/caloric intake right?
     
  10. Brand NOOBian

    Brand NOOBian Member Full Member

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    Update:

    Got more sleep, ate bigger breakfasts, and started eating turkey sandwiches 2.5 hrs before going to the gym for the past few days to see if it would help. Still got in 2.5 hours at the gym yesterday, but it definitely felt harder than it usually does. Wasn't even able to do pull-ups during my strength training cuz I felt so weak after doing my regular chin-up routine.

    Had 3 rounds of sparring after my warm-up today, and I was pretty much useless after that. Could barely last a full round on the heavy bag and had to take frequent breaks to stand by the fan and cool down. After a few pathetic attempts to keep at it, I decided to just go to the speed bag. Couldn't even hit the bag like I usually do, so I just did a few rounds of shadow boxing and called it a day after 1.5 hrs. Today's training session was the shortest I've had in months.

    Now that I've ruled out not eating enough/not getting enough sleep, I've come to the conclusion that the heat and humidity in the gym is really hindering my performance and/or I'm overtrained at the moment. I'm even considering taking a break from boxing and switching to a reg gym that has air conditioning until summer is over, but I really hope it doesn't come down to that.
     
  11. Speechless

    Speechless Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah heat can definitely take something out of you, stamina wise.
     
  12. Ero_Sennin

    Ero_Sennin New Member Full Member

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    The heat probably isn't having the type of effect you think it's having on you, but I'm betting it has part to do with why you're feeling like garbage and running out of steam.

    Hydration and nutrition needs become extremely important in the heat. Most people, including me in the past, just thought you needed to drink more water and maybe a gatorade. You HAVE to eat in order for your body to be able to stay hydrated, not over hydrate (yes, this can happen), and have energy to replace the energy used. Being that you're working out in the heat is also going to mean that you're burning even more calories then you used to because your body is trying to stay cool. You would probably feel a lot better if you had some form of carbohydrates before, during, and after your workout. If you're working out for an hour plus you need to get substance in your body for energy. In a 2.5 hour workout I would eat almost a small meal twice, or a meal replacement. Post workout nutrition to restore your glycogen stores in your muscles and liver is also going to be extremely important in the heat.

    I guarantee that your problem is nutrition. I would take a day off, eat like a cow (lots of simple sugars and and carbs to restore your reserves in the muscles/liver) and then either take a pre workout supplement like AMP Endurance Booster (that's the one I use and it tastes good, I'm not pushing a particular supplement line but it needs to be something like that, not a weightlifters pre workout like NO-explode) before and during your workout, or eat something high in carbohydrates before and then something small midway through the workout. Also have something like a banana and apple with protein immediately after the workout.

    Extreme heat, just like extreme cold, has to push your dietary needs to what you would probably think is extreme as well. Especially if you're burning off what you eat in a day (which you are, since you're working out boxing for 2.5 hours). Also, nasty food like a pastry or doughnut becomes nutritional because it has got all that good sugar and carbs which will definitely be put to use.
     
  13. Matty lll

    Matty lll Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And there we have it. You would think that'd be pretty obvious :lol:
     
  14. Ero_Sennin

    Ero_Sennin New Member Full Member

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    Sleep isn't always the issue. In fact, the body can operate with little sleep at close to optimal performance for quite a while without much sleep. The most productive people in the world also have a tendency to not sleep a lot. I got an average of 4 hours of sleep a day when I was deployed in Afghanistan in 130 degree heat and still went on 14 hour missions and came back and worked out. Not only did I progress in my workouts which were mainly squats (although much slower then normal), but I left weighing 220 and solid as a rock. The nutritional needs were the key to doing that.

    I think people try to look at getting rest and sleep before they understand dietary needs for highly active people. Getting proper nutrition is also what getting that sleep is all about. You can workout all day and get 14 hours of sleep but not eat, and that sleep isn't doing anything for your body because you don't have any nutrients for your body to heal and rebuild during your slumber which is the whole point of it.

    I like to go by the phrase "you can never train too much, you can only not eat enough." Not entirely true, but it has a truism to it.
     
  15. Matty lll

    Matty lll Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sounds like you know more about it than I do so I'll have to take your word for it.