Feelings on Marciano vs Louis??

mcvey, I only have one rule, no insulting or disparaging a posters family. What are hugs? Is this some shorthand?
Agreed, about the hug, you brought that up yourself with having a group hug, did you forget?


You ducked my first question,anyone who has any pretensions towards knowledge of classic boxing knows Louis' best punch power wise was his right cross.

Sorry but I seen through visual "analysis", that he punched very well with both hands. I didnt duck anything I responded to your question, but not by your yes or no rule. Go back and refresh your memory.

You ducked my second question too,ie How many right crosses did he throw?
I answered that too and even explained why old Joe couldnt again refresh your memory

I don't profess to have exceptional knowledge of boxing but I've followed if for 55years or so ,and practised it for nearly 20 so,at the risk of appearing conceited I claim to have the rudiments down.

Apparently not as well as you claim, cos you still cant see two nice punches Louis landed that caused the Rock to be rocked, and to make it easier I even told you where to look and you still cant see it. You boxed for twenty yrs you must have been terrible, cos a guy who claims he has practiced boxing for twenty yrs still doesnt know what he is seeing, forget the articles. Rocky, gave Louis no room to throw a right cross, he was too close, and even quoting Louis where he said he saw openings but couldnt fire his punches and that is due to faded reflexes where you see openings but you cant take advantage of them. Now that wasnt hard or complicated and no amount of articles can tell you different.

Next point Agramonte was not hard to floor or even stop ,therefore Louis dropping him means little .
Louis got some needed rounds? Is it then your contention that he let Agramonte stay?Because that is the implication in your statement.

No, that is your pathetic interpretation of what I said, I didnt bring up Agramonte, and havent even watched him. What I said and I will repeat it again cos you are kind of slow. Louis fought 8 fights vs decent journeyman fighters who gave him rds. I never, ever said Louis let him stay, again you are reaching.

Next point Marciano not flooring Savold multiple times reflects adversely on Marciano, it is not an indication that it was a hard feat to achieve, Marciano was roundly criticized for the Savold fight.
Just when I thought you couldnt make dumber statements you come up with this, Savold was a better fighter then you think, he was what they called a cutie and no matter the puncher he cant drop everybody, he battered him which was enough to gain the stoppage. Roundly criticized by who, scribes? Please. I am sure those same critics vouched for Marciano's power when he flattened JJW.

Next point Walker was included because he is one of the inside the distance wins Louis managed,which I should have thought was self evident .

Again did you miss the post where I said walker was a gimme, why bring him up twice

Next one.I've never said Louis was a punch-less wonder on his comeback my issue is with Marciano's fan base that seek to metamorphasise an old Louis into something he no longer was.

OMG what a monumental cop out. I dont think anybody said or thought that at all.

Bivins was not a big puncher and he was the younger, fresher man he naturally elected to fight on the back foot.

Ok, so what's your point?

How many times did he not?
O lord we are talking about the Louis fight not what he done before and after in his career and if he ran or boxed on his back fought should tell you something.

Next one you seem to agree with Seamon here if so, WTF are you arguing about?

Exactly my point wtf are you arguing about? I was replying to your posts where you stated, Louis had no power, was bascially a one handed fighter, and didnt throw any or many right hands. That where it started, I gave you an answer, I even told you to ck out the last :30 sec to show that Louis still had some power, but claim you only saw the right that staggered Louis, how could you miss seeing the left hook - right hand land not even a sec before Rocky staggered Louis.

Next point, the overwhelming opinions of all the major sportswriters.
You explain these by interpreting them as them looking for the younger Louis .Pure unsupported speculation on your part ,coupled with I might add, a large dose of arrogance.

Maybe you should go back and ck those scribes words they all talked about Louis's ability in the past tense.

Next.Ive never relied on anyone else to back me on this forum and whatever hugging cavalry means I don't require it.
Oh please, your calvary is the one who posted those articles, and the hugging you must have forgotten, that you brought it up. To refresh your memory "group hug"
I'm in no bubble I assure you.
You dont have to I assure you

Id like to point out that you didn't actually use personally insulting remarks as you did on earlier responses to me,that's good because I bow to no one when it comes to personal invective and vituperative replies .
You are right but smug remarks are about the same.

I know who Woodcock was I've had a drink in the pub he used to run,he was not anything special.
This I know but for a while he was the UK's premier HW.

Look Mc, I dont have anything against you I have stated that I believe you are one of the most knowledgeable posters on this forum but......

 

Thank you I appreciate your concern why dont you, me and others just stick to the theme of the thread and leave everything else aside. I hope you notice I reply in kind, if you want to talk boxing great, your bit about fantasy was a bit off there was no fantasy involved we were discussing boxing and a specific fight, where is the fantasy. "I hope things work out better in the future. Peace", as well.

 

Come on now get a grip, it's clear to see at the end of the round Louis lands a left and a right that backs Marciano up, I wouldn't say it hurt him but it knocked him back and got his respect. What is also clear Marciano lands a right that shakes Louis up to the core.

 

I'm not going to prolong this further,its run it's course and then some! Eric Armit! Is he still around? Knowledgeable guy.I've about 10 years worth of Boxing News in the loft,I must get around to digging them out and cataloguing them.

 

Mcvey confesses to be a homosexual and brings his family into the middle of an argument. Then he warns us not to be homophobic and leave his family out of this. We wouldn't even know about his sexual preference or family if he didn't throw them into the middle of an argument about Joe ****ing Louis. This is one sick individual.

 

Because I don't give a **** about your personal life. And yeah, you and Seamus are acting like ***** ass cry babies.

 

Yes you're right, you still havent admitted you were wrong and you still havent seen Louis land that left hook - right hand that rocked the rock, or so you say.

 

Dan I think it should be confesses to being.
The fact that you use the word "confesses",in this context tells us a lot about you and your attitude to gay people Dan.
You confess to a crime, is homosexuality a crime in your eyes Dan?
I mentioned my family solely to illustrate my own sexual preference in response to this childish play-groundish ,and decidedly homophobic remark from you.

"And you can go cry in Seamus' arms on the pink bench in the back".

Seamus and I have had many knockdown drag out arguments here,which you would be aware of if you had been here more than five minutes. We tangle every so often , but I must say his content on this forum in terms of quality , so out-distances your own miserable personal hate agenda towards us ,it could be compared to Ali v Williams in terms of being thoroughly out classed and out matched.
I warned nobody about anything, I merely pointed out how utterly tasteless your remark was.
I also made a request that negative references to family be excluded from this or any other debate.
I've never disparaged a members family and think it to be just about as low and cowardly as anyone can stoop.
You know nothing about me or my family Dan ,but ,thanks to your homophobic remarks we now know quite a bit about you!

 

I'm going to pass now, D, have a good time without me.

 

This is what I was talking about, you AVOID, addressing the remarks directed at your totally dumb statements that Louis was basically a one handed fighter, didnt throw any right hands and had no power. Man up and back your statements up. All you when you are challenged is you cover up with smug remarks. Who do yo think you are fooling? Your innocent posting of two pic's, that you had to search for. You say you practiced boxing for 20 yrs and YSDKSAB. Basic stuff lol. You dont have to post it. I know you dont care, and you're enjoying your life, but it's not you that I am directing my replies to, it's to expose your tripe to others, or do you think you are the only one reading them? Oh,Just to be clear, I am not mad, upset or irate, I love exposing arrogant, self righteous know it all's such as you. We now know your innocent act is just that, you ask others for proof of what they post and yet when you are confronted you who-osie out with smug comments. Still dont see that combo, still dont see any right hands thrown by Louis? Please dont try to CYA, by saying you didnt see any right crosses, a guy with 20 yrs practice doesnt know that tactics play a big part in fights and you keep repeating, RIGHT CROSSES lol
Anyway since you are leaving us with a smug remark I thought I would give you a parting shot, enjoy your PB

 

The "Give A **** By Anyone" Train crashed and burned because nobody gave a **** enough to lay the tracks. Now go back to your pink bench and cry in the arms of your self proclaimed lover.

**** your family, **** your sexuality, **** your Partner, nobody gives a ****. This is a boxing forum.

Joe Louis used his right hand, Joe Louis demonstrated power in said hand. Joe Louis knocked Marciano back with a right hand. Joe Louis misspelled his mom's name in his autobiography. End of the discussion.

 

Dan you seem to be somewhat annoyed here, why not make some more homophobic remarks to ease your frustration?

 

Finally couldn't resist it eh? I do hope you feel better now. D, you couldn't expose your own P888k!lol

 

I haven't made any homophobic remarks so I wouldn't know, is that how you deal with your frustration?