Feelings on Marciano vs Louis??

That's eminently reasonable.
A factor in Louis looking decent against Savold would be Savold being 36 imo As we all know you don't absorb punches so well as you age.

ps I think I drank some of that Unicorn p*ss in a micro pub Sunday lunchtime.

 

Jeez names outa the past, I met Astaire in Los Angeles in Don Chargin's office. At the Pintor fight I was sitting with Mickey, Alex Wallau, (an ABCtv suit), and Chargin. I met Mugabi in Bos' apt. You went to Jimmy's place, we used to go there after the fights. Jimmy and Bos were very close.
On Duva you are correct, what he did to Warren is a shame. Duva didnt want Warren to fight Meldrick Taylor so he was "removed", McGirt then fought Taylor and Taylor won the championship. By rights Warren should have fought Taylor, but Duva kept that from happening. Watch Warren and McGirt I & II, big difference and therein lies the story. The plan was the winner would fight Taylor, Duva, wanted none of that. Frankie was a brawler his best fight was to batter guys in the 2nd fight he had Frankie trying to box a boxer. Bad move, was it on purpose? Hmmmm!
Somebody should do a thread on Mickey, he was a character. I sometimes think had Mickey let me go to Owens corner at the times he might still be alive, but like he said he didnt want to 2nd guess the corner.

 

I sat next to Chargin, on a Bruno bill I think it was, he was a quiet guy, but Mickey came over to him 2 or 3 times so I knew he was somebody. Astaire was into many things ,he was the European representative of Dustin Hoffman for instance ,a connected guy was Jarvis. Jimmy Glenn is an absolute gentleman,loved his company and his bar, he kept giving me his bar stool which embarrassed me because he's about 20 years older than me.
I tried to buy him a drink but he said he'd given it up about 40 years ago,his son was in the bar at night,he looks older than Jimmy!
Buddy McGirt was as near to being great without making it imo,a bit like Billy Graham,his manager was a tailor I believe? Buddy liked the ladies I'm told,didnt he have a torn rotator cuff against Sweet Pea?
I'll catch up on those fights you mentioned. Johnny Owen lived boxing,he was a shy, introverted, plain ,skinny ,jug eared kid . I think I'm right in saying they discovered his skull was very thin,so he may have been a fatality waiting to happen. Pintor was a hell of a fighter,I remember his scrap with Wilfredo Gomez ,and Mercante continually warning Wilfredo not to let his punches stray,"keep em up Gomez!" Hugh McIllvanney was at the Owen fight too , he wrote a wonderfully sensitive piece on the fight.

 

I had my dust up with Chargin over a fighter that wasnt worth a damn, Chargin is still semi active. We dont talk now which is a shame. Duva, I have to say had a good operation for a while when Dan was still alive, he always had excellent trainers around who did the work while he supervised.
Lupe Pintor at that time was a beast, Mickey made a good call in that fight if only he had followed up on it, When the bell rang I was set to go, when he pulled me back. I always think that Owens would still be alive. I was involved in another death in the ring with Jesus Chavez and Leavander Johnson, another sad situation which the corner could have prevented.
Back to Marciano - Louis I think we covered it well, but what I got out of it was, that this forum covers the pre-Dempsey era well, we neglect some very good fighters from the mid-'30's to mid- 50's. Anyway your last post brought back memories of some colorful people, yessir.

 

Maybe a thread on the likes of ,Roscoe Toles,Steve Hamas,Leroy Haynes , Bob Baker,Clarence Henry,Tommy Gomez,Billy Gilliam ,John Holman etc would not go amiss?

 

"everyone agrees that the Louis Marciano faced was in decline but rather disagrees on the degree of decay."

This cuts to the core of the issue. I would judge this Louis not against a prime Louis but against the contenders earlier ATG contenders defeated.

Jeffries---Sharkey, Corbett, Ruhlin, Fitz, Munroe

Johnson--Ketchel, Jeffries, Flynn, Moran

Dempsey--Miske, Brennan, Carpentier, Gibbons, Firpo

I rate the Marciano Louis the favorite over all these opponents. Yes, he was 37, but he was a big heavyweight (213 lbs.) who could box and still had a dangerous punch.

Savold has been mentioned, but I see Savold beating more than half of these men. It isn't like the heavyweight division was filled with awesome fighters over the decades and suddenly collapsed around 1950 just in time for Marciano. It has been the champ, if good and prime, and thus dominant, and then those who hopefully can at least give the champ a decent go.

And I think this Louis would still have an excellent shot at taking the title from such defenders as Hart, Burns, the 1933 Sharkey, the 1919 Willard, Braddock, and perhaps a couple of others.

 

Ed, good idea for a thread the Louis of the Marciano fight vs whoever, also Mcvey's idea, of the individual guys, I would include Curtis "Hatchet man" Shepard, Harry Bobo, Jimmy Bivins, Tami Mauriello, the two Lee's, Oma, Savold, Joe Baksi, there's so many. This was a rich era, plenty here to argue yessir. Think about how many ATG's, HOF'r's fought between 1935-1955 in all division's. Anyway it's something I believe we can all get into, those guys vs any other era