Feelings on Marciano vs Louis??

No comment, I just wanted to bump this !

 

We all know Louis wasnt the Louis who we all hold in high regard. That picture, was kinda insulting to a great fighter, who was forced into doing something that he wasnt cut out for, cos of his financial difficulties. That pic meant something to you otherwise why post it? I am sorry that you feel that way but when you say, Louis had no power, was one handed and didnt throw any right hands. Ya gotta know somebody is gonna question it, that's what I thought this was all about. Sorry again but I still cant believe you didnt see the combo that preceeded that Marciano right that staggered Louis.

 

You don't have to take my word ,it isn't compulsory and doesn't matter to me either way.If the picture was insulting it insulted the US Government not Joe Louis.

 

Why, was it insulting to the US gov't a pic of a fat Joe Louis? It was your post "American hero", was that a political statement on your part? It matters to me. If it doesntt matter to you why post it? I am sure you have tax obligations, and the people collecting the taxes dont care what your situation is and are not as forgiving of those obligations. Now you've brought in the US gov't on a boxing forum, nice. You were wrong on this thread and you're wrong on this post. There was no need for that pic. You seem to have anger issue's and cant seem to take it as well as you dish it out. It's not compulsory to answer either with sarcasm. I am sure the same happens in the UK, and everywhere else, tax collectors will dog you to collect the taxes owed. The right or wrong on Louis' tax situation is not the point here on this thread, the question was your feelings about the Marciano - Louis fight, and you were wrong on this thread.

 

SAY he was old and confused. The Murray Woroner tournament, which you quote Louis happened in the 1960's.

Read below and learn for a change, okay!

Another source, if you watch Louis doc, American's hero betrayed his son flat out says Louis had mental issues and would think people were listing to him, which they were not. Unscrewing light bulbs, and such. Louis post boxing was a broken man, wrestling ( which he was horrible at ) and later greeting people in Las Vegas. My father, a boxing fan meet both Louis and Liston in the 1960's and early 1970's.

Louis he said was slow mentally. Infact I think Louis himself tested poorly academically speaking. Liston on the other had a dangerous look of a person you give space to, and a handshake like a vice.



>>>Starting in the 1960s, Louis was frequently mocked by segments of the African-American community (including Muhammad Ali) for being an "Uncle Tom."[92]

Drugs took a toll on Louis in his later years. In 1969, he was hospitalized after collapsing on a New York City street. While the incident was at first credited to "physical breakdown,"[88] underlying problems would soon surface. In 1970, he spent five months at the Colorado Psychiatric Hospital and the Veterans Administration Hospital in Denver, hospitalized by his wife, Martha, and his son, Joe Louis Barrow Jr., for paranoia.[88] In a 1971 book, Brown Bomber, by Barney Nagler, Louis disclosed the truth about these incidents, stating that his collapse in 1969 had been caused by cocaine, and that his subsequent hospitalization had been prompted by his fear of a plot to destroy him.[88] Strokes and heart ailments caused Louis's condition to deteriorate further later in the decade. He had surgery to correct an aortic aneurysm in 1977 and thereafter used an POV/scooter for a mobility aid.[15][93]

Louis died of cardiac arrest in Desert Springs Hospital near Las Vegas on April 12, 1981, just hours after his last public appearance viewing the Larry Holmes–Trevor Berbick Heavyweight Championship. Ronald Reagan waived the eligibility rules for burial at Arlington National Cemetery and Louis was buried there with full military honors on April 21, 1981.[94][95] His funeral was paid for in part by former competitor and friend, Max Schmeling,[96] who also acted as a pallbearer


So your are wrong here! He was old and confused.


Now for the, I could not beat Rocky comment! Our very own Matt McGrain did mentioned that quote. Argue with him, he'll set you straight or at least give the information you don't seem to process well.

" If I had a bad weakness that I kept and hid throughout my career. I didn't like to be crowded and Marciano always crowded his opponents. that's why I say I could never have Beaten him - Joe Louis "

There's your soruce. BOOM AGAIN.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/feat...arciano-vs-joe-louis-a-peak-for-peak-analysis.

I gave you sources. You're right neither McGrain nor I can set you straight. Facts, data, links, and direct quotes need not apply to you! Louis lost his marbles post retirement. I showed you sources #youhave&hitforbrains!

To set you straight would take an expert psychologists, and that person would also need some luck.

 

My money is not in the UK,I have no tax obligations here.
You think I was wrong, that's fine .
I'm not angry at all, you are the one getting irate.
I'll post what photos I care to, if you don't like them tough sh*t,you can always report me and attempt to get me banned.
Please explain how my posting a photo of an older Joe Louis was insulting to him?
During WW2 Joe Louis defended his title twice for free to help respectively ,the Army and Naval Relief Funds,he boxed tons of exhibitions,went on War Bond Drives and made propaganda shorts to boost the war effort.
In my book that should have entitled him to special dispensation regarding his tax affairs.Hence my comment if any insult was given it was to the US Government of that time.
If you disagree with that, well that's your prerogative. I won't lose any sleep about it either way.

 

Let me try to explain how this works ,you post something ,I ask for the provenance of it ,you supply it.I have asked for the provenance of what you,posted which was by the way an interpretation of an original quote the provenance of which I supplied.You have not supplied a primary source for what you claim Louis said ,all you've done is post the same BS again and then say McGrain posted it earlier.

I dont care if Mack The Knife said he said it, I want proof!

 

Mcvey showed where his heart is at, posting an insulting picture of Joe Louis and refusing to explain himself.

 

Thanks for the support Mongoose .Much appreciated Mate!

 

QUOTE="The Kentucky Cobra, post: 18378068, member: 115865"]Mcvey showed where his heart is at, posting an insulting picture of Joe Louis and refusing to explain himself.[/QUOTE]
Ill give this a bump ,it merits it!
Here's another picture is this one insulting too?

If it is let me know and I'll," give it the elbow "as we say in the UK.

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mcvey, post: My money is not in the UK,I have no tax obligations here.
You think I was wrong, that's fine .
And why not? Cos if you owed your gov't they would come after you big time so you were smart and Louis was not so smart.
Yes I do and I still cant believe you didnt see the two punches that directly preceeded Marciano's right that staggered Louis.
Cos it's there to be seen. IMO, you are being disingenuous on that point.

I'm not angry at all, you are the one getting irate.
Can you please point out where I was Irate? Oh, I am not mad dont have to be cos when you are mad people tend to lose their heads and start cussing up a storm.

I'll post what photos I care to, if you don't like them tough sh*t,you can always report me and attempt to get me banned.
Then expect somebody like me to respond to your negativity. How old are you? You sound kinda childish, "if you don't like them tough sh*t", maybe a little respect might be better. Why should I report you, sounds kinda ratty to me. If I have something to say I will say it.

Please explain how my posting a photo of an older Joe Louis was insulting to him?

Dang, if you really dont know, why it is was insulting hmmmm! There are thousands of pic's available and YOU, chose that one. I would guess that you had to look to find that pic. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and think that pic was one of your favorites.

During WW2 Joe Louis defended his title twice for free to help respectively ,the Army and Naval Relief Funds,he boxed tons of exhibitions,went on War Bond Drives and made propaganda shorts to boost the war effort.
In my book that should have entitled him to special dispensation regarding his tax affairs.Hence my comment if any insult was given it was to the US Government of that time.
Here I agree that Louis' tax situation should have been erased, but it was a simple procedure and nobody advised Louis, that in doing what he did for the relief funds, and for war bond drives, still made him liable for the taxes on those exhibitions as income.
All Louis had to do was to declare one dollar as income from all those things he did and he wouldnt have had that tax obligation. If anybody is to blame is Louis's advisors or lack of advise.

If you disagree with that, well that's your prerogative. I won't lose any sleep about it either way.
Yes it is my prerogative and I will use it to respond, do you really think anybody cares whether you lose sleep or not, please.

 

Ill give this a bump ,it merits it!
Here's another picture is this one insulting too?

If it is let me know and I'll," give it the elbow "as we say in the UK.

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More negativity from Mc, trying to make a point lol

 

More negativity from Mc, trying to make a point lol[/QUOTE]

He denies factual filmed events, acts like a child, which is fine, he has his agenda, but I don't get why he randomly posted the overweight Louis wrestler pic. It's obvious he simply has a deep seeded hatred for the man, as well as Marciano.

 

He denies factual filmed events, acts like a child, which is fine, he has his agenda, but I don't get why he randomly posted the overweight Louis wrestler pic. It's obvious he simply has a deep seeded hatred for the man, as well as Marciano.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, he should man up especially his observations of Louis in the marciano fight, are wrong and he knows it, thats why he cant see the punches that Louis landed on Marciano. I can stand a novice saying these things but he should know better and he is just being mean spirited by posting those pic's. Maybe cos he is "irate" and fuming cos somebody called him on it.
Mc Louis was human he made mistakes and he paid for them like a man. No need to further punish the guy cos you're upset. That Marciano elbow, you could do the same with countless guys, so why post it except to make a negative point and that goes for both pic's.