Felix Cash vs Austin Williams - June 10 // London

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  1. Sonny1

    Sonny1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Get a life you loser.
     
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  2. hobby rider

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    You keep banging on about Breazeale being Joshua’s 8th best win which is pretty sad. Where would you describe him as one of wilders “best wins”? 3rd? 4th?
     
  3. Wig

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    Thing is with Breazeale he could be Ajs 8th best win or his 3rd best win

    Undefeated joey twelve Parker and Shot to pieces old retired VLADD are probably one and two interchangeably

    then theres a cavalcade of utter garbage: Shot Takam Whyteleafe Molina Martin Breazeale Franklin Shot Pulev Shot Povetkin

    He also went 1-1 with a morbidly obese mexican fella, no idea how to rate that.

    Three hundred pound Big Baby Miller beats AJ for me

    Even the shopworn Wilder who went in three times with Prime ATG Fury would be Joshua's best win which says it all
     
  4. Redbeard7

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    Breazeale was KO'd in 1 round by Wilder so it's hard to rate him. Ortiz x2, Stiverne 1, Duhaupas, Szpilka, Washington and Arreola all did far better, as did prime Molina, who went on to give Breazeale a very good fight a couple of years and 2 KO defeats later. Helenius did the same as Breazeale and was coming off two of the best wins of his career.

    @Mitch87 claimed that Breazeale was a "solid fringe contender", on the same level as Takam (who he rates highly) just before Wilder KO'd him in 1. Wallin's 12 round fight against Fury and his 9-3/10-2 schooling of Joshua's 8th best win suggest that he's right up there with any of Joshua's best wins save Wlad.
     
  5. Redbeard7

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    Breazeale has to be above Molina (zero heart against Joshua) and green Martin (zero heart against Joshua) but it's hard to put him above more skilled pointfighters Takam, Pulev or Parker, who took Joshua into the late rounds. Though arguably they posed even less KO threat than Breazeale, so Breazeale could be 5th at a stretch. You have to give Ruiz 2 the benefit of the doubt because even though he self-sabotaged, he still had superior handspeed, offensive skill, toughness and experience than Breazeale (including experience of crushing Joshua) and went 12 rounds without a problem.

    Parker was dreadful. I don't think he'd have won 1/10, perhaps not 1/50 (barring a freak injury). He knew he couldn't win a decision in Britain and fought to survive for 12 rounds. Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte and even Ruiz 2 are all definitively above him because they either had roughly equal or more skill than Parker and went for the KO.

    1-1 against Ruiz is very poor for a prime fighter of Joshua's supposed calibre. 0-2 against Usyk may age ok or poorly but historically, losing clearly to a cruiser is unique among elite SHW's.

    Shopworn Povetkin was certainly better than Parker and Joshua's clear 2nd best win: even post-Joshua, Povetkin beat a more mature and experienced Hughie in better fashion than Parker did, drew with prime Hunter (who would have likely beaten Parker) and KO'd Whyte (who'd beaten Parker) 2 years, 1 KO defeat and 3 fights post-Joshua.
     
  6. Redbeard7

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    Yoka is coming off getting schooled by 42 year old Takam who Chisora bombed out 5 years ago, so it won't be him.

    Wallin and 44 year old Ortiz are both far too dangerous for Whyte. Remember when Whyte blatantly DUCKED Wallin with a fake shoulder injury pullout, then after he couldn't land a meaningful punch on Fury and got one-shotted in 6, went off to fight Jermaine Franklin rather than the far better known, better credentialled Wallin and went life and death?

    Even Dillian's "brother" "Dean Whyte" has spilled the beans on why Whyte ducked and continues to duck Wallin: he's too tall, too southpaw, too good a mover and a "bad stylistic matchup for Dillian". You can't weasel your way around it, Mitch.

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    @Wig has suggested a much more realistic list of puddings:

     
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  7. MidniteProwler

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    They really should give Whyte a soft touch so he can look good scoring a KO if they want to set up an AJ rematch
     
  8. DramaShow

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    Looks like Whyte won’t be headlining now.
     
  9. Wig

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    Mate! there’s a new cv man in town

    You and @Mitch87 need to get together in real life.

    this is like Rick Moranis and sigourney weaver in ghostbusters, sparks will fly

    @MODS can we set up a thread for these guys to talk resumes?
     
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  10. Redbeard7

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    One problem with @Mitch87 is he makes things up as he goes along.

    One minute Breazeale is a "solid fringe contender" on the same level as Takam (who he rates highly), the next Wilder's KO's him in 1 and he's a bum (and even more of a bum when Wallin schools him).

    One minute Wilder is Mitch's 4th best heavyweight in the world, the next Fury demolishes him and he's not even in the top 10.

    One minute Helenius is "high Euro level" and "too dangerous for Wilder", the next Wilder KO's him in 1 and he's a bum who we don't talk about.

    He claims that "resume" is massively important but boosts boxers like Bakole above Wilder based on the "eye test" of going the 10 round distance with Tony Yoka and being schooled and stopped by Hunter.

    etc. etc.

    Another problem is that Mitch has no basis for cataloguing scores and results beyond his solipsistic whims and biases. So in Mitch's mind, Whyte won 3 rounds against Fury before being one-shotted in 6, whereas the overwhelming majority on Eyeonthering and Boxrec scored it as a Fury shutout. The official verdict and even fan consensus doesn't matter, Mitch and Mitch alone determines which results are legitimate or not.

    So all in all, his "resume analysis" is largely useless.
     
  11. Ex Army Jim 39

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    listen mate ive read your posts and you are a man who puts facts and good information out that you reason and you think about all the stuff you put down i see that in you mate dont mind these folk they are in turmoil that joshua is a busted flush and he has never beat anybody good they even say wins like ruiz sumo and parker and pulev are good wins you couldn't make it up pal there are 4 men i nthe division who are top calibre that we know for a fact thats fury joyce usyk wilder the rest are miles away
     
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  12. BoxingAddick

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    The Wlad that Fury ducked a second time right ? And the Parker all the hardcores picked to KO AJ right ?
     
  13. BoxingAddick

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    Out of iterest where do you rate Lewis ? I mean he lost to Rahman. Also If losing to cruisers is a measure then i guess Mike Tyson isnt that great anymore ?
     
  14. Redbeard7

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    Prime Holmes wasn't a big heavy by modern standards: 6'3, 210-215 lbs. Life and death with a green inactive Cooney.

    And neither are Bowe or Lewis big heavies compared to Fury, who is 3 inches taller, longer reach, naturally 20-25 lbs heavier.

    If Fury had been KO'd twice by a McCall/Rahman/Whyte/Chisora level opponent then that would be one thing. But he's gone four fights with 6'5.5+ athletic KO artists Wlad and Wilder (longest single heavyweight title reigns since 1985) on the road as the B-side without being KO'd, who are bigger punchers than anyone Lewis fought and probably bigger punchers than Lewis.

    Lewis never fought a southpaw of any note as a pro and neither did Bowe. Holmes fought one in the amateurs and that future journeyman southpaw KO'd him twice. So if Fury beats Usyk those old heavies will fall further behind on another important metric.

    Bowe/Bowe's team soiled his legacy by ducking Lewis and Lewis didn't have Fury's heart/confidence. Look at the relatively timorous way Lewis responded to his "robbery" loss in America against a relatively light punching 6'1 former 190 pounder Holyfield (who'd been KO'd by Bowe 3.5-4 years prior and was on the cusp of going 1-1-1 with John Ruiz), despite having Holyfield's ex-trainer in his corner! Lewis was fortunate that the judges were more reasonable in the rematch, despite a much closer fight. Compare that to how Fury responded to his "robbery" loss in America against an unbeaten long-reigning 6'6 ATG KO artist, in which Fury was dropped twice and almost KO'd. Went at Wilder, absorbed a few right hands and took him out in 7, despite such a strategy being regarded as suicidal pre-fight, likely to end in a devastating early KO defeat.

    Fury set an all time defensive record against master pointfighter Wlad Klitschko in all weight classes: no fighter had ever minimised a champion to so few punches landed over 12 rounds, let alone the P4P No.2, let alone come away with an 8-4/9-3 win in the A-side champ's backyard in his own championship debut as a massive underdog. If it were easy to do we'd see it more often. I'm sure Byrd, Thompson, Povetkin, Pulev and the rest would have preferred to dance around and win wide on points while barely being touched rather than getting pummelled and grappled to death.

    When Lewis retired there were no doubt many saying he was crap compared to Joe Louis, Ali, prime Tyson or whoever, not a "true great". That's just the nature of the beast, more often than not: fighters are only fully appreciated after they've been retired for a while.
     
  15. Redbeard7

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    Lewis was the best/most accomplished heavyweight of his generation but he had his flaws.

    Tyson's greatness is more questionable because he tended to sink when in deep water, I see a lot of comparisons with Joshua. But I don't hold losing to Holyfield against him as much because Tyson was only 5'10 with 71 inch reach, Holyfield was functionally bigger. Joshua lost clearly to Usyk despite having the SHW advantages, which is unique among heavies as accomplished as he is on paper. Even Bowe's loss to Holyfield in the rematch was by a very narrow margin and it was on neutral territory, whereas Joshua had home advantage and still lost wide.