Felix Trinidad - Championship Profile (Video)

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  1. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rummy, I absolutely loved this and the Sanchez videos. You’ve covered two of my all-time boxing heroes there. Would there be a chance of you doing a Carlos Zarate one in the future? If you need certain footage I could probably help. I can also make sure that Carlos sees it as I know he likes these tributes.
     
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  2. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tito was awesome. I think he set such a high standard that he’s become vastly underrated because of how he lost. Against Hopkins he simply jumped up too much too soon and against a much bigger fighter who’s also an all-time great and for Wright he was shot. The long career then the layoff. Tito used to be a fighter who’d put pressure on and punch for openings by then he’d became a fighter waiting for openings.

    His worst performance was also a win against De La Hoya. If De la Hoya gets so much credit (and yeah I agree I had it a draw) then Tito was at his worst and it was at the very least close. I wish Showtime didn’t flag fights on YouTube. I tried uploading the Reid fight but they always take it down. That was Tito at his patient, destructive best. He really peaked that year with three devastating wins and fighter of the year and topped it off with the Joppy win. He unified welterweight in 1999 then took out the unbeaten #1 & 2 at 154 in 2000 then went right for #1 and 2 at 160 in 2001.

    What a fighter.
     
  3. Clinton

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  4. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His left hook to the body was his primary weapon, I'd forgotten how good it was. I'd have loved to have seen him in with Pipino Cuevas.
     
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  5. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I find myself with a mediocre track record at predicting high profile fights through the years...like yourself I have gotten a few right (law of averages I guess lol) along the way. I would guess the majority of us fall in this category although I am sure many are illustrious in their own minds. But this makes me think of hypothetical h2h fights between 2 greats. We are all so confident that our take on these imaginary fights is correct...and we forget our mediocre real life level of prowess lol. I can’t help but wonder how often I/We are not imagining what would really happen properly. I would probably be right just as often if I picked the guy I thought would lose, to win instead lol.
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

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    I'd be interested in doing that. :thumbsup:

    I do have a short list of guys I was 'planning' to get to sometime fairly "soon". I'll check my archives and see what I have, as he had a lot of title fights, many in the 70s (which I find is hit or miss in terms of finding at least decent quality video). Realistically, if I have/find all of the necessary elements, I'd be looking at the earlier parts of 2021 to get to this.
     
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  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Very well stated.

    Regarding the De La Hoya fight, back when that happened I thought it was a robbery, but I perhaps got caught up in the hype at the time. Having watched it at least twice through the past 4 years, it's tight. Far tighter than I had recognized at the time.

    Tito was a smart fighter. He may not have had a ring IQ on par with elite wizards of the game, but he was always clever at finding ways to maximize the use of his particular set of attributes.
     
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  8. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    If you make predictions on a ton of fights, including a lot of so-called tune-up fights, even the best of the best are going to only be right between 60-75% of the time. I'm basing that on the few years I had a prediction league going where we made weekly picks on usually a minimum of 4-5 fights per week.

    But yeah, I embrace what you're saying here. I have very little confidence in picking winners in hypothetical match-ups these days. Because the truth is, you never know for sure until if/when it happens. And if it can't possibly happen, well, you can have the utmost confidence and never be proven wrong. Which can amplify that type of confidence, but it doesn't really mean anything.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Absolutely, and those attributes were brilliant. I think Tito's counter-punching game is vastly underrated. Even his hook to the body could be used as a counter.

    And yeah, that fight more or less comes down to two swing rounds. Which means it could be a draw, or a De La Hoya win. Although IIRC @Jel had it a Tito win, which I'd like to see.
     
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  10. Rumsfeld

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    Until I did an episode on DLH a few years back when my channel was very new, I had totally forgotten that Lederman himself had it a draw. I know he got a lot of hate in the General Forum, and while I didn't always agree with him - on the whole I always thought Lederman usually did a good job scoring fights, especially during that time frame in the late 90s early 00s.

    I didn't score it when I watched it a few months back, but I apparently did score it when I did that aforementioned video (I just checked) and I had 115-113 for De La Hoya as of some time in 2016 (same as @IntentionalButt whose scores were also featured in that episode)
     
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  11. salsanchezfan

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    I recently treated myself to the Trinidad-Vargas fight and thought again that one of the really great things about him was how despite his obvious power he never went all Julian Jackson, throwing one huge shot at a time assuming his opponent would drop. Tito was schooled very well, always throwing bombs in seamless combinations, each shot perfectly delivered.
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

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    Yep! He was poised and patient, and as you say, seamlessly fluid when he did open up.
     
  13. George Crowcroft

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    Yeah, I saw that one. I'm pretty sure I had it the same as you two, when I watched it on the FOTW awhile back.

    And I agree re: Lederman. He may have a few cards I don't like, but don't we all. I thought he usually has it right, and he doesn't shy away from scoring it how he likes.