Fenech farked Green's Career!

Come on Pecks, how could u seriously think Kessler would win EVERY round against Green?

Kessler retreats very quickly when under pressure, and when he retreats, he doesnt continue to box the way Mundine does. So surely Green would out work him every now and then? Enough to win a few rounds at least.

 

I think some of the criticisms of Green are a bit jaded.
"He couldn't box" You can't be serious. Because he lost, doesn't mean he couldn't box.
We keep bringing the question of "Who did he fight" Well he fought everyone they put in front of him, & knocked most of them out, & he was no Marciano or LaMotta.
Trainers come up with a plan, & they expect fighters to obey it.

In the Bayer fights. The 1st one was an absolute farce.
In Beyer 2 he rarely went to the body. They were hell bent on the head With "knock him out to get a draw in Germany"
We were a lot more appeasing on the result of that fight as well.
You only have to look at the judges scores. Numerous sites I visited after that fight thought Green won it by 2 & 3 points.

With Mundine, he hammered away at the body all night, which gave Choc a systematic one target game plan.
Both of Greens plans failed, but he carried them out.

What he done in the lucas fight in 6 rounds, it took Kessler 10,, & it was 3 years later.

He was elusive. A solid counter puncher & had a jab that was an effective deterent to risk takers, & probably was an influence in that he is a healthy, lucid & articulate man, post career.

Criticism of his trainers, may or may not be justified (Though the Sullivan affair was an horrendous mistake)

At the end of the day, he retired with a 25 wins (22 KO) & 3 losses against opponents that had amassed over 530 wins.

That ought to say something about his ability.

 

Agree with most of what u say, but your point about him following plans might be a bit off. He repeatedly said before the Mundine fight he had plan A, B and C. but he didnt change his plan once during the fight. His foght plans against Beyer2 and Mundine were wrong and i guess we dont know who to blame unless we ask both fighter and trainer.

 

I agree, but I think he would do a lot better.
I watched Kessler in one of his european fights fights & I noticed that he has a habit of needing to get set with his punches, which makes him a bit predictable, When this opponent slipped off centre it put Kessler on the back foot & that's where he was at his most vulnerable. Kessler went on to win that fight, but, if you watch the Beyer one fight & see how Green caught him with the same punch, I thought it would worry the life out of Kessler.
I said in another forum that if anyone was ever going to prove this to be right, it would be the jack-in-the-box Joe, & he did.

If Choc had have had a rematch with Kessler after the Green fight, I think he would have beaten the Dane.

I also think Green would have beaten him, simply because Kessler was a simlar fighter & green would have gone in with a much less restrictive game plan & was more elusive & did have explosive power.

JMO

 

It could easily happen. Mundine only won 2 or 3 rounds against Kessler and they were very close rounds. Mundine had an advantage over Kessler too (speed), I don't really see Green having any advantage except for maybe power, but power means nothing if you can't connect.
Kessler's the type of fighter that will capitalize on his dominance, and wont give his opposition a sniff if he's better than them.

 

I can see your pt, i believe Mundine could beat almost all of them bar Dawson, Joe and Hopkins.

 

Green bashed Lucas light years ahead of Kessler. Green bashed Beyers (1st fight) head in years before Kessler got at him :deal

Its no wonder Kess went for the tic tac heart option before messing with a hungry Lion in Green :yep

 

See all this thread needed was someone to stand up for what they believe...i truly believe Green would have pushed Kessler especially at the time Kess decided he didnt like fighting in WA :yep

 

Green has/had a faster, more powerful jab than Kessler, and I think Kessler would be wary of coming in after tasting a few of them.

 

Cmon now eagle, giving green a little too much credit. :yep

I wouldnt say they were faster than Kessler, but they had more bite and were often thrown with a little less calculation than Kesslers power shots...

But I think we all agree that Green probably should have shaken off Fenech a little earlier. It took Jeff to abandon Green for Tyson for Danny to realise this... Fenechs an open book, im surprised he didnt see through him earlier....

 

Definitely more powerful when it connects, dunno about faster though. I could see Kessler landing with his jab more often though.

 

Have to agree to disagree on this one mate.

it depends how u score fights regarding Mundine/Kessler. Mundine landed the cleaner shots throughout the fight, and Kessler had the workrate. Its not unbeleivable for some to give Mundine up to 5 rounds.

Mundine didnt win more because he lacked self belief and didnt want to take risks. Green would take those risks and back Kessler up many many times. Maybe not enough to win the fight, but it would be great to watch.

 

I agree with this - this is my line of thinking on this matter...taking into account also that Green was a big SMW, like Kessler.

 

Kessler's win over Lucas was very dominating. He was in complete control of the fight for every minute of it. Yes, he didn't stop him earlier than Green did, but it was still a dominant win.
It's like comparing Calzaghe's win over Lacy to his win over Omar Sheika.

As for V Beyer...Kessler stopped him in 3 where as Beyer beat Green twice. Nothing to debate here.

As for the other opponent they faced (Mundine), well Green got easily beaten by him, and Kessler easily beat Mundine.

 

Kessler didnt easily beat Mundine at all.