Fernando Vargas Story *Video*

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  1. cubex

    cubex Boxing Addict banned

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    I disagree with the immediate momentum thing.The low blow(s) was in the 4th round.

    Vargas easily won the 5th and also the 6th which was closer.Then he started to lose momentum so it's obvious it wasn't immediate.
    Later on he still won the 11th.
     
  2. anarci

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    :thumbsup Good post a lot of people seem to forget that and just mention how brilliant Tito looked. Tito knew he was in trouble and did what he had to do and got a way with it and he did get away with it. Iwas pretty pist when they took that swinging moment in the fight from Vargas.
     
  3. kirk

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    Boxing is a weird sport.... there will be times where a fighter is in a danger zone so to speak one time throughout the fight, and that is the only time that that may happen in THREE fights, let alone one.... and when that fighter is in that hot water, and he gets that break.... and stops that MOMENT, that IMMEDIATE success that one fighter is having, it has nothing to do with what transpires the next round or what does and doesnt happen, the fact is he got a break, and halted the other fighters immediate momentum. I am not talking about fight momentum, i am talking about immediate, moment by moment momentum, and its not really an opinion.... its a fact, that it was stopped by tito. Wether Vargas goes on to carry it is another matter entirely, it is indeed halted the minute he lands that shot on vargas.... as he then gets an immediate break from the action.

    Its like this.... Mayweather was on his way to really busting zab up in their fight no? If things had continued that way, he very may well have gotten a standing count, but when he low blowed him, that gave him a break (stopping mayweathers immediate momentum)

    the fact that mayweather goes on to win the next round has nothing to do with it, i am talking in the moments these actions happen, meaning, the fighter that is doing the low blow is getting an immediate break from the action.

    I will use Gatti as an example, remember in Gatti vs Ward 1, when Ward lands that crippling bodyshot? giving Ward a 10-8 round

    What if, sensing the heat that was being placed on him and his at the moment crumpling under the circumstances, gatti delivered a fierce low blow to ward (thus preventing that exact moment that the body shot is delivered) ward recoveres, and then goes on to continue winning the round and the next round, but never scores that knockdown. Because Gatti got a break when he needed it, and never again finds himself in that situation throughout the fight.

    That moment, and IMMEDIATE momentum was halted at the very moment gatti would have landed that low blow, and Ward going on to win the round or the next one doesnt erase the fact that gatti would have had a break, and halted wards immediate momentum.

    anyways... for real this time, thats all ill say on it. to each their own....
     
  4. cubex

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    Agree to disagree then.
     
  5. kirk

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    :good
     
  6. SAS2

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    vargas = "I ate too many burritos"
     
  7. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If he met your boy at a catch weight your boy would get ktfod!!!
    I would bet a house note on that one! Dont start on my house either cause i have a pretty decent one
     
  8. Thread Stealer

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    Vargas was doing well even after Tito low blowed him right after the KD. I don't think Tito was ready to get stopped but obviously we won't know for sure.

    Vargas dominated the 5th round, and was winning the 6th until late when Tito caught him with a right hand with about 35 seconds left in the round. Merchant said it hit Vargas in the neck, and Vargas started holding on. Tito caught him with some other good shots to close the round, and that turned the momentum of the fight back in Trinidad's favor.
     
  9. paloalto00

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    But Chavez didn't have much amateur experience. So his first 40 fights were to make up for that.
     
  10. Dojo

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    Pretty crazy the quality of fighters that he fought at such a young age though.
     
  11. wooz

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    What the hell is wrong with Lampley. Hes almost crying when hes talking about Vargas there. :nut
     
  12. Dojo

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    Because he cares.:yep
     
  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Barrera was a good amateur, and he still didn't fight for the title until after 30 professional fights. Vargas was rushed into fighting the elite competition, because they thought he was that good. He was very good, but a few more fights would have served him well. He was knocking everyone out before the 7th round in all of his fights before fighting Campas, he was learning nothing.
     
  14. vargasfan1985

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    Vargas could have been much better had he not been tossed to the wolves.
     
  15. kirk

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    Something i dont see considered too much about vargas getting rushed is, and what should be considered is the fact that vargas's discipline outside the ring was coming apart. Once he turned 21, he was partying hard, his weight started ballooning, he also had legal problems (assault), ect....

    His managers probably didnt want to risk him derailing himself before he ever had a shot. So although i consider myself one of vargas's biggest fans, and id love to say how much better vargas would have been if not rushed, chances are he would have never fullfilled his potential anyways due to his out of the ring lifestyle.

    IMO....

    If he had the discipline of say, a Bernard Hopkins, Shane Mosley or even a Floyd Mayweather.... then ya, i would say he should have been brought along differently, but his managers probably thought it was better to strike at a world title before it was too late, perhaps.

    Just playing devils advocate here