Fifteen Greatest Flyweight Punchers

I'm not too caught up on KO ratios. It certainly indicates that He had power - but putting him among division's greatest puncher's is another kind of standard of comparision. Don't think anyone will dispute calling Joshua a puncher, but when someone would put in top 5 greatest puncher in division's history, then the word "puncher" has a bit different ring to it and that's where I'm coming from here.

Lomachenko had 100% ko rate at Super Featherweight. I don't think anyone ever considered him a puncher and like I wrote earlier, I always thought of Roman in similar way in terms of their punching power. It was moreso about pace They set and precision with which They were able to place their shots.

You're right, "washed" was harsh, but I don't think He looked good in some of those fights coming into Gonzalez fight. Don't remember exactly which of those fights made me feel this way, but I remember not being very excited and not expecting much from this fight at the time.
He was 35 years old and conditioning was always a problem for him.

 

I'm only asking this as I'm genuinely curious, I'm certainly not questioning your rankings or your rationale - do you think Roman had more pure, 1-punch power than Donaire, at 112lbs, or are there factors beyond pure 1-punch power, that you've taken into consideration when ranking the greatest ever punchers at Fly?

 

No Belulio Gonzalez?

Dude's got a similar KO rate to some of the guys on the list (like Efren Torres), and he's got an all time one hitter quitter against an ultra tough Shoji Oguma.

 

Just to be clear. When I questioned Roman being a puncher, obviously it is in the Greatest Puncher in Flyweight's history context. It would be more precise to say He's not an ATG puncher. There are "punchers" in any division at any given time. Darchinyan isn't on Your list, but I don't think it means You don't think he was a "puncher".

I don't think so. I would have to know just how highly your rank him to know if We have some significantly different view on it, I think it's moreso that We see his legacy in different places.
While He might've peaked at 112, He fought better opposition at 108 and 115 so I think fights at those weights is where He built his legacy moreso than at flyweight.

 

That's completely fair and reasonable, thanks for clarifying.

Imo, when people disagree on these sort of lists, it's more often due to a different interpretation on the criteria, than a different interpretation on the fighters themselves, hence my question.

I think Roman was an outrageously good offensive machine at 112lbs, who clearly punched hard. I don't consider him as possessing darkening, concusive 1-punch power at the highest level, but he clearly could throw fluid combinations of hard punches, at an exceptional work rate.

 

Fair question. Wilde and Kane are the obvious 2. Of those who competed at 112lbs, I consider Donaire to have concussive 1 punch power in his left hook, but completely understand your rationale for excluding him. I'd have to think about it more to determine whether I think there are any others, but concede none immediately jump out as obvious.

I'd guess Avelar, Torres and perhaps even Chitalada as having better 1 punch power than Roman, but depending on criteria, I can certainly see a clear case for Chocolatito being the greater puncher than them all.

I'll probably get shot down in flames for this, but it wouldn't surprise me if Shannon Briggs had more, raw 1 punch power than Joe Louis in absolute terms. Arguments that Louis was the greater puncher are overwhelmingly strong, though. It was along those sort of lines that I was curious to your criteria.

 

I dunno, I think he'd slide into one of the bottom spots in my list. Good timing, clearly heavy handed and has some nice stoppage wins over some really good world level guys (Mathebula x2, Vargas, Oguma, etc)

 

Not quite in a historical context, no, I'd give Kane a clear, though not huge, edge, even though Avelar was obviously a very big puncher.

Gonzalez rarely put everything into each punch, but rather sacrificed throwing an individual shot as hard as he could, in favour of typically shorter punches, thrown not only in very high volume, but with great accuracy and leaving him perfectly balanced to follow up with beautifully fluid combinations. The fact he could do that, yet still throw hard with most punches on an individual basis, means I think your ranking of him in this thread is reasonable and defensible, even if I'd rank him differently. Either way, I'd need to spend time doing some research and watching footage of some of the contenders before coming up with a list I'd be confident in.

 

Definitely think he ranks above Sot Chitilada, at any rate. For that matter, I think a pretty solid case could be made that Ponsaklek ranks above Sot, too.