Fifteen Greatest Middleweights

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  1. McGrain

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    15 - Fred Apostoli
    14 - Bob Fitzsimmons
    13 - Dick Tiger
    12 - Jake LaMotta
    11 - Freddie Steele
    10 - Holman Willilams
    09 - Tommy Ryan
    08 - Charley Burley
    07 - Bernard Hopkins
    06 - Mike Gibbons
    05 - Stanley Ketchel
    04 - Sugar Ray Robinson
    03 - Marvin Hagler
    02 - Carlos Monzon
    01 - Harry Greb
     
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  2. Reinhardt

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    Graziano? me neither, after watching him on film he was in the right place at the right time with Zale. A prime Zale never loses to him. I don't know if I'd put Graziano in the top 30 middleweight champs
     
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  3. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All these lists have the prime suspects in greatness, but I'd have to put Golovkin above James Toney, and I'd have to have Fitzsimmons above Hopkins. I'd have B-Hop 11 to 14.
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Does Lloyd Marshall make a dent?

    Victories over Overlin, Risko, Yarosz, Brouillard, Burley, LaMotta, Charles, Williams.. all occurring below 165.. Many of his losses widely regarded as fixed... Does he figure in this mix?
     
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  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    He has a solid claim,imo.
     
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  6. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Greb
    Gibbons
    Robinson
    Ketchel
    Steele
    Yarosz
    Williams
    Burley
    Overlin
    Apostoli
    O'Dowd
    Monzon
    Walker
    Hagler
    YC3

    * Fitz, Langford, Ryan are excluded because i don't know enough about their eras and competition
     
    Vysotskyy, Aug 10, 2018
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  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    1 Monzon
    2 Greb
    3 Robinson
    4 Gibbons
    5 Hagler
    6 Steele
    7 William's
    8 Burley
    9 Walker
    10 Hop
    11 Zale
    12 Giardello
    13 Valdez
    14 Tiger
    15 GGG

    Fitz Jones Toney and Langford were left off because frankly they all accomplished so much at other weights so I just excluded them.
    Griffith was better at WW
    Would have liked to seen Papp as a younger pro.
    GGG last because hes still active.
    Yes i know no LaMotta...not very impressed sorry MO
     
    robert ungurean, Aug 11, 2018
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  8. mcvey

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    Overlin?
     
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  9. mcvey

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    Ryan was a champion at welter and middleweight ,and fought with gloves.Mitchell never won a title and most of his fights were under London Prize Ring rules, he has no place here.
     
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  10. mcvey

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    Why would that be?
     
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  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Make a case for Miitchell being included here
     
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  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Pender was a paper champ .In the right place at the right time.
     
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  13. FrankinDallas

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    Ok you mentioned him; now let's move on.
     
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  14. mcvey

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    Sullivan fought plenty of gloved contests,I don't think Corbett ever fought under Prize Ring Rules.There were two Welterweight champions before Ryan and plenty of good men around when he was champ.Billy Smith,Jack Dempsey,Joe Walcott, Kid McCoy etc.
     
    mcvey, Aug 13, 2018
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  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Steele is routinely accepted as a top ten all time middleweight.
    His resume shits all over Pender's
    Apostoli
    Battaglia
    Krieger
    Lesnevich
    Risko
    Overlin
    Jones
    Dundee


    Pender beat an ancient Robinson ,[39]prime for prime he couldn't carry his spit bucket. Robinson was likely robbed in their first fight, a split decision in Pender's home town.
    • The Associated Press scored the fight 145-141 for Robinson.
    • A poll of ringside press showed a 9-6 edge for Robinson
    • The only time Pender risked his title away from home he lost it quitting on his stool.
     
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