Fighers who within three fights can POSSIBLY bacome a top 10 atg...

what about jmm. could he join this list?

 

BS. 135 is debatable either way, but many count it as a legit world title.

130 is undisputable. Hernandez was considered the lineal champion when he lost to PBF.

Jones is the closest active fighter to the top 10 IMO, and he would have to do a major turnaround to gain it.

 

Just a thought but how about Taylor as an ATG if he beats

Calzaghe at 168
Beats Wright in a rematch
Kessler at 168

All of this after pavlik of course

 

So 135 by your own admission is *******ized

So at 130 he held this lineage, where is the line? The last fighter to have a claim at the World Championship at 130 was Brian Mitchell, and he retired undefeated, and there has never been a universally recognized fighter to claim the World Championship since...

 

It all depends on what you think re establishes Lineage, something none of us seems to know for sure. And I don't see how you get that admission from my post.

But nearly every website and magazine considered Genaro Hernandez the Lineal champion after he beat Azumah Nelson, and PBF beat him at 130. At 135, Castillo was certainly recognized as #1 when PBF beat him.

 

People seem to forget what lineage means, there is no lineage champions left in boxing, period.

To become a Champion of the World you have to have a legitmate claim that the vast majority of parties agrees to. Unlike the 80s downwards, you will probably never see a 'undisupted' World Champion again.

Thus the words lineage champion and universal champion do not mean anything, so are pieces of alphabet crap...

 

All time top 10? There's none out there right now.

A better question would have been top 5 or 10 of all time in their respective weightclasses.

 

Lineage and Linear are not the same thing. There are lineage champions left, like it or not. They may not fit your description of lineage, but a vast majority won't agree.

As for you "Champion of the World" and having a vast majority of parties agree to become it, then by that standard, PBF has 3 world titles. He was recognized as the champion at 130, 135, and 147. 130 and 135 for beating the recognized top fighter in each division.

 

Vitali never beat the man who beat the man, unified, or anything like that. He also never won a belt off a champion.

PBF won those 3 belts from the #1 fighter in the division, and in 2 of them beat the man who beat the man. Vitali lost to #1 fighter in the division. Not even close to the same thing.

 

Pacquiao already ATG and B-Hop still has work to do?????? are you kidding?

 

After Bernard wins tomorrow he will be.

 

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Hey calroid, I like you avatar of that elbow throwing ass marciano...Down with Marciano..lol The only fighter that could throw elbows legally...better not complain...or the mob guys would get ya...lol.

 

****ing HOLYFIELD? Who the hell is he gonna beat? He ain't beating ANYONE in the top 10.

 

But a top 10 ATG? SRL barely makes top 10 with wins over Duran, Hagler, and Hearns. PBF isn't getting in that high with wins over a past his prime Mosley, Hatton, and Cotto (who has himself, yet to win a title off a champion)

 

Holy: Yes, if he beats Wlad, Vitaly and a third top HW. He would be 20-25 in my book.

Mayweather: Yes, if he beats Taylor (if he wants to claim multi division champ then lets see some real stuff..), Hatton and Mosley. He would be 10-15 in my book - mostly for the Taylor win. Still his "legacy" leaves a stale taste in boxing fans mouthes because he so openly hand picked most in his carreer.

Pac: Well, not by fighting the same old scrap that have been meeting eachother over and over (Barrera, Morales etc.). To break top 50 he would imo. need to beat (and not to win every other fight with them but beat and not lose): Marquez, Valero.... so far it looks very likely (and will not change things a lot because everyone expects this anyway)... but then we will need to make it a little challenging.... Hatton to break top 100 and get all the way to top 70 even, and Cotto to get top 40.