Fighers who within three fights can POSSIBLY bacome a top 10 atg...

Well, that imo. is not just a "just". So far Pac has not really beaten an international row of good opponents. He has basically just beaten people from the same couple of countries.

So it could be argued that his title is like a latin-american/pilipino belt.

Well, we know it is called a WORLD championship belt - but he needs to fight someone from the WORLD in order for that to seem credible. Maybe he is the best - well, actually he probably is. However, the best Speedway driver is also English, Australian, American or Scandinavian - because they are basically the only ones competing. Is Speedway then a highly competitive sport? Yes, it is - BUT not as competitive naturally as sports where the whole WORLD actively competes.

Therefore - a win against a PBF would make a world of difference for someone like Pac. Or a win against Hatton.

 

RJJ is the only active fighter who can do it in 3 fights, but i dont think he has enough left in the tank to do it. Its arguable that his achievements could make him top 10 now, winning title's from Middleweight to Heavyweight is a particularly big achievement because thats going up like 40lbs. And in his prime, he was never legitimatly beaten.

Mayweather hasnt been undisputed champion at 130, 135 and 147. He never unified titles, just goes after the WBC strap in every division. To say Cotto, Mosley and Hatton is enough to make him top 10 all-time is laughable. Yes, he'll be an ATG, even if he retired today he will be, but there is easily 10 guys who P4P are better than him AND have beat better fighters.

 

Before Pac Beat up the best of Mexico, Pac Clean up the best of Thailand, Korea, Indonesia, Australia, Japan & Africa. Pac has nothing to Clean up among the USA & European fighters coz Barrera(Hamed & Mckinney) & Morales(Jones) did the cleaning in that continents. Then JMM Clean up the rest of the Nobodies. Pac fought MAB, EM & JMM while they're on top so your excuse that they're Old shot fighters is not Valid. Pac truly is the Global Destroyer!!! ATG for sure.

 

Wlad has yet to beat a reigning titleholder while champion. Not the same thing.

 

The only guy on Floyd's resume that fits that description is Baldomir, and the only reason that even happened that way is because Baldomir didn't pay for the IBF belt to be on the line when he beat Judah. Neither of them have unified anything yet.

 

Oh come off it. I can name at least 50 fighters who are greater than Pacman all time.

He is no where NEAR the top 10. And just because an old fighter is still on top and hasn't faced a fighter good enough to beat him, doesn't mean he is in his PRIME. A fighters prime is relative to his fighting peak, not his ranking within the boxing world.

 

Hmm, for arguments sake...

Say Calzaghe beats:

Kessler
Hopkins
Dawson

... as his next 3...

Top 50?:think

 

Who's the top 126 pounder & 130 pounder when Pac fought at that weight????

 

it was barrera both times. then pac lost to em (who wasnt the top 130 at anytime when he fought pac em all three times). anyways, he never beat jmm who had a claim to that spot at 126 or 130. now pac is fighting mab again who is rank, third or fourth?

edit: i meant to say wasnt the top 130 lber.

 

Hoya above Whitaker?

 

Why a fight with Barrera(while He's on top) & Pac at didn't happen at 130?? Who ducks Who????

 

The best at 126 was not Finalized because who ducks who?????

 

i dunno and how the hell is that relevent to the dicussion of whether or not pac is a top 50 atg?

 

just checked boxrec and you are correct. barrera is the no.1 130 fighter when pac 1st fought there since barrera beats morales via a close MD. i also first thought that morales was the #1 fighter at 130 that time.

i will still place barrera at #3 at 130 today behind pac and jmm and place guzman at 4th.

 

Because Pac fought these Greats while they are on top & make them look old. But actually they're not old & not Shot. They just get beaten by a much Greater fighter. Just stop making excuses that pac fought a Shot HOFamer fighters.