Fight is officially over!!!!Arum says no fight

The people who are saying there is no reason to believe Pac is doing roids are wrong, refusing to do a simple test IS basis to believe he's roiding (unless, of course, it is true that taking the test will impact his performance).

I can understand not wanting to dance to PBF's tune and indulge his every whim, but leaving doubt as to your not doing roids outweighs indulging PBF (and he people who follow the situation won't see it as giving in for the reason i wrote in this paragraph).

 

:rofl

 

i see your point. but i really don't think there is an issue here, except Floyd drumming more sh!t up.

the Pac camp is OK with test right after the fight. so why not do it right after they announce the winner?

 

First-The testing that Pac agreed to is known to be ineffective, when testing for everything like the anti-doping agency does. And you claim floyd is dictating the negotiations when it was Pac's camp that put the unprecedented $10 million penalty on the weight restrictions. I have never been mistaken for a floyd fan, but I feel the testing being requested is reasonable. Every single olympic athlete in the world has endured the same testing.

Second- you repeatedly mention facts and evidence without realizing that there can be no facts or evidence without testing which is why i am saying the only way pac can clear the air and save his reputation and honor which is sure to be tarnished by the publics opinion is to create facts by argeeing to and passing the testing. No longer will less stringent testing be enough to complete remove the doubt that was created. No matter where the doubters started.

third- i was only questioning your prinicpals if you are someone who is arguing against stricter testing policies. And yes this is still America and the statement you made about him being innocent until proven guilty is moronic as i never claimed Pac to be guilty. These are accusation pac is not being prosecuted. Unfortunately though no matter how fair or unfair it may be he will be judged unless he creates stronger supporting evidence through the testing. His accomplishments cannot be refuted if he passes the testing, but you know like i know if he never agree's to the testing there will forever be douters and people who question him.

 

every fight is won in the training and preparation and that is where the advantage is gained. Doping during training will allow for pac to train harder, longer, and be stronger and have an unfair advantage come fight night. Steroids alone don't give anyone superhuman strenght it gives people the abilty to train and push their bodies farther than humans are naturally capable to obtain superhuman strenght.

 

Agreed. Testing will not hurt his performance one bit. Olympians have to compete under these standards and it doesn't bother them. Basketball and soccer players in the Olympics adhere to these rules and they have to compete multiple times and it doesn't effect them at all. Those two sports are depended on a lot of stamina and if it doesn't effect them it won't bother Manny. Also, some people are ignoring that Mayweather has to take the same testing.

 

Perfect. :deal

 

Post-fight testing is almost completely worthless. If done correctly, the substances would be out of his system after the fight.

 

point taken, but again will try to be clear on this STRICTER TESTING SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED, but until it does then all we have are facts and evidence that are available. i sure will not use rumors and hype to swing my position to whether or not to persecute Pac.

no, you never claimed Pac is guilty but you sure are building a case against him.

by the way, there is nothing moronic in believing in innocence until proven guilty.

i say we agree to disagree on this, no offense is meant on my part just putting out my .02 cents out there, and let's be sensible on interpreting all the publications coming out related to this.

:good

 

so do it right after they ring the final bell or someone getting KOd? i don't think the Pac camp has a problem with this.

 

Probably the most important point in this entire discussion!

 

Agreed. :good No offense meant on my part either. And I am not intentionally building a case against Pac. As you may have noticed by my avatar i am a huge Cotto fan and would be fully rooting for Pac to destroy Mayweather since he avoided giving Cotto the opportunity to do so. I respected pac prior to the Cotto fight and respect him even more now after. And I hope for Cotto sake it was a legit loss and not another string of terrible luck. I am just puzzled by what has transpired.

 

i am not an expert, so i am not sure about the science related to this.

but i do know that Pac has always trained for every fight and i don't see him needing any PEDs just to train harder...i don't see Floyd doing that either as both fighters are takes training seriously and their body of work shows it...although they do have different ways of training.

in strength, i don't see a big difference in strength from before when he started to be in the limelight...it just looks like he adjusted well as he moved up in weight class (closer to his everyday walking weight). so if you look at a 130lb Pac vs a 147lb Pac then yes, he would be stronger in that respect.

 

cheers! :good

 

That's also what I do not understand. If Mayweather would have to do the same thing, what's wrong with that? Equal chances.

Pacquiao will NEVER make this money. Neither will Mayweather.

I will never forgive these promoters and trainers and these two fighters themselves not letting this fight happen.