Fight of the Fortnight #1: Southpaw Standoffs.

salsanchezfan · Dec 16, 2019

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Frank Fletcher vs Clint Jackson

Rd. Frank : Clint (Total)
1. 10 : 9 (10-9)
2. 10 : 9 (20-18)
3. 9 : 10 (29-28)*
4. 10 : 9 (39-37)
5. 10 : 9 (49-46)
6. 10 : 9 (59-55)
7. 10 : 9 (69-64)
8. 10 : 9 (79-73)
9. 9 : 10 (88-83)
10. 9 : 10 (97-93)*
11. 9 : 10 (106-103)
12. 10 : 9 (116-112)

Fletcher wins a 12 round UD.

I sorta feel bad, coz the fight was a lot more competitive than my scorecard shows, but Fletcher's offence early-ish had him bulldozing rounds and piling up points easily. And I thought he had a case for a couple of the rounds he lost.

Story of the fight... Fletcher threw too much for Clint. The animal reminds me of Aaron Pryor crossed with Marvin Johnson. Essentially thrilling action, none stop.

Clint had a lot more success late when he started fighting tall instead of inside with Fletcher, as he could use his height, reach and feet to keep that jab in Fletcher's face and take a couple rounds.
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I liked the fight, though it seemed that Jackson was operating on the assumption that Fletcher was going to punch himself out, so he's just bide his time and wait for a while. Big backfire.

George Crowcroft · Dec 16, 2019

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I liked the fight, though it seemed that Jackson was operating on the assumption that Fletcher was going to punch himself out, so he's just bide his time and wait for a while. Big backfire.
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Yeah I got that impression, he started having more success when Fletcher did as well (after 9) which helps that theory. When he stood toe to toe with Fletcher for the first 3, I think he didn't like those body shots. He started to keep his left hand lowered after that.

Cobra33 · Dec 16, 2019

How about Limon vs Boza Edwards
Carl Daniels vs Vasquez
Whitaker vs Vasquez

Jel · Dec 16, 2019

Cobra33 said: ↑

How about Limon vs Boza Edwards
Carl Daniels vs Vasquez
Whitaker vs Vasquez
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Limón-Boza is the first fight listed.

George Crowcroft · Dec 16, 2019

Cobra33 said: ↑

How about Limon vs Boza Edwards
Carl Daniels vs Vasquez
Whitaker vs Vasquez
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Be my guest if you wanna do those bottom 2, but Limon vs Edwards is like the first fight mate.

George Crowcroft · Dec 17, 2019

Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez
In comparison, he's my last card.
Sergio Martinez vs Paul Williams 1

Rd. Serg : Paul (Total)
1. 10 : 9 (10-9)
2. 10 : 9 (20-18)
3. 9 : 10 (29-28)
4. 10 : 9 (39-37)
5. 9 : 10 (48-47)
6. 10 : 9 (58-56)
7. 10 : 9 (68-65)
8. 9 : 10 (77-75)
9. 10 : 9 (87-84)
10. 9 : 10 (96-94)
11. 9 : 10 (105-104)
12. 9 : 10 (
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Maybe @IntentionalButt or @CST80 want to take this one? It's a modern, and I know both of you guys are fans of it.
Anyways... My latest card.

Rd. Serg : Paul (Total)
1. 10 : 9 (10-9)
2. 10 : 9 (20-18)
3. 9 : 10 (29-28)
4. 10 : 9 (39-37)
5. 9 : 10 (48-47)
6. 9 : 10 (57-57)
7. 10 : 9 (67-66)
8. 9 : 10 (76-76)
9. 9 : 10 (85-86)
10. 10 : 9 (95-95)
11. 9 : 10 (104-105)
12. 9 : 10 (
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Williams wins a 12 round MD.

Really good fight, a modern day classic. Both guys showed huge heart, good chins, great boxing skill and a massive pair of bollocks on the pair of em. Williams showed he had the superior conditioning but Martinez was a cool counter puncher with good ring IQ, and took his opportunities when they were presented to him.

1. Sergio 10-9, both had KDs, but Sergio's was clearly harder (from a beautiful lead hook as well) and Martinez also won most of the round of the back foot with counters.

2. Sergio 10-9, Martinez picking Williams's offence apart with counters and intelligent pressure.

3. Williams 10-9, Paul landing hard shots on offence, enjoyed how he was picking his spots and dropping that really long left on Martinez. Sergio landed the most eye catching shots in a combination mid round.

4. Sergio 10-9, Martinez made some changes here, he started turning his shoulder when moving in to block Paul's cross, working the body whilst pushing Paul back and worked his jab more. Both men improved their timing.

5. Williams 10-9, Paul really pouring it on, landing lots, taking less. Wins on activity imo, in the most exciting round so far.

6. Williams 10-9, Paul's conditioning showing here, Martinez basically took the round off whilst Williams was throwing and throwing.

7. Sergio 10-9, back to his crisp accurate counters. Picking his shots as Williams withdrew his long ass arms, Paul still looking to have a lot more in the gas tank however.

8. Williams 10-9, Really close round, very entertaining towards the end. I got Williams winning due to his jab in the first minute, and his range making Serg miss.

9. Williams 10-9, more activity, Sergio landing counters but few and far between, showed good defence though.

10. Sergio 10-9, Landed some nice counters as well as darting in and out, both men landing good punches, Martinez's more polished and clean as opposed to Williams's volume. Martinez made some more adjustments, started landing the lead left more frequently.

11. Williams 10-9, basic pattern carrying on here, Martinez landing the sharper, cleaner punches but few and far between, Williams's workrate taking it.

12. Williams 10-9, both guys looked ****ed, but Paul was still throwing a lot more. My only complaint ab this fight is that the final round rally from both men was comparatively pathetic.

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One of my favourite fights with round 5 being one of my favourite rounds. My only complaint here, was the blatant home cooking, I don't just mean the 119-110 scorecard, the commentators were subtly bias towards Williams and were talking about the fight from the perspective that Williams had already won.

Still, never understood the cries of robbery though, this is a very close fight and could've gone either way. A draw would've been very fair imo.

Webbiano · Dec 17, 2019

George Crowcroft said: ↑

Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez
In comparison, he's my last card.
Sergio Martinez vs Paul Williams 1

Rd. Serg : Paul (Total)
1. 10 : 9 (10-9)
2. 10 : 9 (20-18)
3. 9 : 10 (29-28)
4. 10 : 9 (39-37)
5. 9 : 10 (48-47)
6. 10 : 9 (58-56)
7. 10 : 9 (68-65)
8. 9 : 10 (77-75)
9. 10 : 9 (87-84)
10. 9 : 10 (96-94)
11. 9 : 10 (105-104)
12. 9 : 10 (
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Maybe @IntentionalButt or @CST80 want to take this one? It's a modern, and I know both of you guys are fans of it.
Anyways... My latest card.

Rd. Serg : Paul (Total)
1. 10 : 9 (10-9)
2. 10 : 9 (20-18)
3. 9 : 10 (29-28)
4. 10 : 9 (39-37)
5. 9 : 10 (48-47)
6. 9 : 10 (57-57)
7. 10 : 9 (67-66)
8. 9 : 10 (76-76)
9. 9 : 10 (85-86)
10. 10 : 9 (95-95)
11. 9 : 10 (104-105)
12. 9 : 10 (
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Williams wins a 12 round MD.

Really good fight, a modern day classic. Both guys showed huge heart, good chins, great boxing skill and a massive pair of bollocks on the pair of em. Williams showed he had the superior conditioning but Martinez was a cool counter puncher with good ring IQ, and took his opportunities when they were presented to him.

One of my favourite fights with round 5 being one of my favourite rounds. My only complaint here, was the blatant home cooking, I don't just mean the 119-110 scorecard, the commentators were subtly bias towards Williams and were talking about the fight from the perspective that Williams had already won.

Still, never understood the cries of robbery though, this is a very close fight and could've gone either way. A draw would've been very fair imo.
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super fun fight that one! Incredible volume of punches thrown and neither of them took a step backwards, been a while since I watched it but I had Paul 114-113. Could have going either way or a draw. I’m always first to post this in terrible scorecard threads. That 119-110 was baffling.

George Crowcroft · Dec 20, 2019

Boza Edwards vs Bazooka Limon 1
Two tough guys, two of my favourites, an absolute Brawl that I love but have surprisingly never bothered to score before, I just had a general sense that Boza won quite comfortably. Anyways, let's get to it.

Rd. Boza : Bazooka (Total)
1. 10 : 9 (10:9)
2. 10 : 9 (20-18)
3. 10 : 9 (30-27)
4. 10 : 9 (40-36)
5. 10 : 8 (50-44)
6. 10 : 9 (60-53)
7. 9 : 10 (69-63)
8. 10 : 9 (79-72)
9. 10 : 9 (89-81)
10. 9 : 10 (98-91)
11. 10 : 9 (108-100)
12. 9 : 10 (117-110)
13. 9 : 9 (126-120)
14. 9 : 10 (135-130)
15. 10 : 10 (
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Boza Edwards wins a 15 round UD.

Boza was just too technically refined and equally gritty for Limon imo, that early lead he built was a massive part of him winning imo, as once he went to the trenches there was plenty of little momentum shifts and it became a lot more competitive.

Speaking of momentum shifts, the fight was pretty much all Boza's, he was in control more and only really tipped towards Limon towards the end, Limon's only massive amount of momentum came at the end.

5th round was unbelievable. I was gob-smacked, I had to take a minute before carrying on.

Round by Round

1. Boza 10-9, landed more consistently whilst stalking. Controlled the range much better and kept Limon from doing much inside and countered nicely when he did.

2. Boza 10-9, closer but still clear for Boza imo, he did the same things he did in Rd1 and still had lots of success.

3. Boza 10-9, nice work from Boza, outlanded and potshoted Limon to a clear Boza round, his jab really controlled Limon and set up his shots.

4. Boza 10-9, Boza showing who the better technician is and landing more, using that shoulder to block Limon's left and getting off first.

5. Boza 10-8, easily the most competitive round so far, despite the KD. Boza tries to finish Limon and pours it on, and is met with flurry after flurry from Limon, who dominated the final minute of the round, but not enough to crawl it back to a 10-9 imo. If the KD was lighter, maybe, but it wasn't soooooo.

6. Boza 10-9, pretty close round. I liked Boza's jab here though, Limon working really well inside whilst Boza working well at range. Boza seemed a little less eager to exchange after that brawl in the 5th, he may have momentarily punched himself.

7. Limon 10-9, very close. Could see Boza's jab taking it, but Limon's more consistent and eye-catching power shots took it for me. He was landing nicer shots whenever the pair exchanged.

8. Boza 10-9, very close again. Sorta the opposite of the last round, I'm going w Boza's jab and defence whilst brawling over Limon's offence this time, can see opposite easy though.

9. Boza 10-9, very competitive still but Boza's jabs and tighter structured hooks are winning it for him, he's landing more and outboxing Limon when not brawling.

10. Limon 10-9, Bazooka dominating the action here, but Boza still showing why fundamentals are so important, coz he was winning the sections of the rounds where he wasn't brawling. Limon landing the more eye-catching shots and actually making Boza miss a lot of his biggest punches.

11. Boza 10-9, Man Edwards must have got a second wind coz he dominated here. Jabs, short punchers and range management, pretty much left Limon looking lost, he didn't really land much and Boza kept getting off first.

12. Limon 10-9, close round. Limon landed much more eye-catching shots and forced the action lots, he also kept it inside and showed Boza he could still brawl.

13. Even 9-9, very close round. Like the 12th, but more competitive, less boxing from Boza more brawling. I felt Limon won but lost a point for low-blow.

14. Limon 10-9, really seized the action here, landed lots of shots inside, upstairs and down. Limon clearly wanted the KO.

15. Even 10-10. Great ending, both men leaving nothing behind. Both landed hard hard shots on eachother at a high rate. Hard to split.

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Massive hug at the end. Major respect.
What a fight!

PhillyPhan69 · Dec 17, 2019

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Paul Williams vs. Sergio Martinez I

Wow, I had forgotten what a fun fight this was! Their styles mesh perfectly for a very active and engaging fight with multiple ebbs and flows and momentum shifts. Williams higher volume work rate Sergios countering and cleaner punching (IMO) and body work. I felt like each won 4 rounds semi clearly and 4 swing rounds (4-8-11-12) to determine the winner. I could see 115-113 for either guy...that 119-110 card seemed to shock both guys before the verdict was read.

1 Martinez
2 Martinez
3 Martinez (Martinez 30-27)
4 Williams
5 Williams
6 Williams
7 Williams (Williams 67-66)
8 Martinez
9 Williams
10 Martinez (95-95)
11 Martinez
12 Williams (114-114)
This was fun.

I felt like Martinez won 1-2-3-10 clear
Willams won 5-6-7-9 clear
And 4-8-11-12 are tough to score and is likely where the fight hangs in the balance.
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I forgot how good this fight was, and am not sure I ever scored it or rewatched it since the night it happens. Good choice

roughdiamond · Dec 18, 2019

Frank Fletcher vs Clint Jackson
FOTF

Fletcher - Jackson
R1: 10 - 9
Great action. Activity, brutal body shots by Animal.
R2: 10 - 9
Bruising round. Jackson not active enough.
R3: 9 - 10
Jackson hurting the animal with counters.
R4: 9 - 10
Animal seriously hurt here.
R5: 10 - 9
Inside fighting! Fletcher pounding and getting hit less.
R6: 10 - 9
Fletcher working, working, working.
R7: 10 - 9
Clint labouring.
R8: 10 - 9
Animal extremely effective here.
R9: 10 - 10
Slower round, good work from both.
R10: 10 - 9
R11: 9 - 10
Close. Jackson jab winning it here.
R12: 10 - 9
Great round.

TOTAL: 117 - 112 FLETCHER

Notes:

Great fight.

I can see why Fletcher is so popular!

Animal has a sneakily good defense, and tremendous pressure.

Jackson waiting way to long here. Missed chance for him.

rorschach51 · Dec 19, 2019

Boza-Edwards also fought Navarrete in 1981, Ramirez in 1987, and Camacho in 1986.

rorschach51 · Dec 19, 2019

Will begin to post my scores tomorrow.

rorschach51 · Dec 19, 2019

Think I might add Josh Taylor vs Regis Prograis & Ronald "Winky" Wright vs Bronco McKart 1 to my southpaw standoff scores.

George Crowcroft · Dec 19, 2019

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Think I might add Josh Taylor vs Regis Prograis & Ronald "Winky" Wright vs Bronco McKart 1 to my southpaw standoff scores.
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Go for it, man! I'll do the same if you do, maybe my Usyk-Glowacki, Boza vs Navarrete, Loma-Campbell & Russell as well.

rorschach51 · Dec 19, 2019

George Crowcroft said: ↑

Go for it, man! I'll do the same if you do, maybe my Usyk-Glowacki, Boza vs Navarrete, Loma-Campbell & Russell as well.
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Sounds good! Right now I need to try to get some sleep tonight.

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