Fight of the Fortnight #8: Fun at Featherweight...

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  1. George Crowcroft

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    Did this one last week.
     
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  4. salsanchezfan

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    I might score (at the very least) Paez-Grove, as I did Kelley-Dorsey last week. It was good to revisit that one after so many years and actually score the thing as a pseudo judge. Different result than I remembered.
     
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    Arlen Bynum 117-109
    Harold Lederman 118-109
    Jerry Roth 118-109
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    Round 1: Villasana 10-9, swing.
    Round 2: Fenech 10-9, close.
    Round 3: Fenech 10-9, clear.
    Round 4: Fenech 10-9, clear.
    Round 5: Fenech 10-8, clear.
    Round 6: Fenech 10-9, clear.
    Round 7: Fenech 10-9, clear.
    Round 8: Fenech 10-9, close.
    Round 9: Fenech 10-9, close.
    Round 10: Villasana 10-9, close.
    Round 11: Fenech 10-9, close.
    Round 12: Fenech 10-9, close.

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    God Damn, this man was tough as ****. Fighting with TWO broken hands??? Wow! This was a foulfest of epic proportions, which are obviously my favourites. ;)

    Unbelievable fight, I shudder at the thought of the Compubox stats. Fenech showed good skills, Armstrong-esc workrate and uncanny toughness. Villasana showed a huge heart, dirty tactics and a huge chin, as well as a piercing left hook.

    I liked Fenech's sportsmanship at the end too, made me smile.

    Aussie commentators are amazing... even if they tret Fenech like he shat gold.
     
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    Adalaide Byrd 74-77
    Glenn Feldman 75-76
    Patricia Morse Jarman 75-75
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    Round 1: Vargas 10-9, clear.
    Round 2: Vargas 10-9, close.
    Round 3: Vargas 10-9, close.
    Round 4: Miura 10-8, clear.
    Round 5: Miura 10-9, clear.
    Round 6: Miura 10-9, clear.
    Round 7: Miura 10-9, close.
    Round 8: Miura 10-9, swing.
    Round 9: Vargas TKO

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    God damn! What a fight. Miura had the heart of a lion, but it wasn't enough to survive the immediate burst of fire power in the 9th. Damn, what a brawl.
     
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    Kevin Kelley v Troy Dorsey

    For non-stop action I'm not sure I've seen one like this since Chacon-Boza 2. Dorsey set an unforgiving pace and never stopped throwing punches. Kelley did his best to match him but used a bit more lateral movement to outbox him in some of the latter rounds. With each round, just when I thought I had it figured out who was going to win, the other fighter came back. They could have fought this one in a phone box.

    Almost every round was close and plenty could have gone either way so a draw seems fair to me even if the judges had it unanimous for Kelley. But 116-109 seems too wide to me.

    1 10-9 (what a start)
    2 9-10
    3 10-9
    4 9-10
    5 10-10
    6 9-10 (ridiculous pace - every round is close so far)
    7 10-10 (couldn't split them, it's just relentless)
    8 10-9
    9 10-9
    10 9-10 (very close)
    11 9-10
    12 10-9

    Kelley 115-115 Dorsey
     
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    Vicente Saldivar v Howard Winstone 2

    Great, high quality technical fight with a champions finish from Saldivar after Winstone had fought his way into a slight lead into the championship rounds.

    Lots of close, competitive rounds that could have gone either way, the difference between them was the extra power Saldivar put on his punches in the later rounds as he start to mix hooks and full blooded straight lefts in with the steady stream of jabs. Winstone countered really well for most of the fight but was lacking that bit of oomph to discourage Saldivar. The 14th sealed the win for Saldivar but the momentum was already with him before that.

    Great watching two top technicians trying to outthink each other - a steady stream of high quality action through the whole fight without any truly jaw dropping rounds, but hugely enjoyable nonetheless.

    1 9-10
    2 9-10
    3 10-9
    4 10-9
    5 10-9 (close)
    6 9-10
    7 10-10
    8 9-10 (Winstone seemed stunned by one shot from Saldivar but otherwise boxed beautifully to take the round)
    9 10-10 (so close, so good)
    10 9-10 (super close again, swing round)
    11 10-9 (clear Saldivar round)
    12 10-9 (Saldivar on a roll now, he's taken it up a level)
    13 10-9
    14 10-8 (Huge round from Saldivar as he overwhelms Winstone. Winstone does well to survive and gets a bit of a break from the ref who should have called a second knockdown but that seals the deal for Saldivar on my card)
    15 10-9 (great finish from Saldivar)

    Saldivar 145-141 Winstone
     
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    How did you have it, Sal?
     
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    I actually posted it in the wrong thread probably, the "what fight did you watch " one. I scored it 116-113 Kelley. Sensational action.
     
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    Absolutely love this fight, right up there with my favourite of all time. I had Winstone winning 1, 2, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 10. Saldivar taking the rest with a 10-8 in the fourteenth, so finished with 143-141 to Saldivar. Beautiful gel of styles with Winstone looking imperious at points in the first half of the fight before Saldivar got those short hooks to the body going and those rights over the top of Winstone's jab. But even in the more physical exchanges Winstone held his own, at least until the last three rounds when he was running on fumes.
     
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    Great fan of this fight, too. I actually had it a Fenech shutout last time I watched, 120-107 with the point deduction, but that might be a bit harsh on Villasana, I guess. Even in the eight (give or take) rounds which Fenech won clearly and beyond any dispute, Marcos was still competing well and on another day I might well have had him nicking a couple.

    The pace of this fight was a joke, as you say. Racking my brains to think of another twelve-rounder which kept up this kind of ferocity and work rate from both men for every minute of it. And all the dirty stuff! Fenech actually trying to shove referee Cortez out of the way to get to Villasana after time out had been called for a low blow, and then trying to lay him flat out when Villasana tried to touch gloves upon resumption. Villasana using Fenech's nuts as a speed bag beforehand.

    No wonder Fenech was injured so often and deteriorated early being in wars like this. It was absolute carnage.
     
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    Just finished Grove-Paez I. Here's how I had it.

    1. G
    2. G
    3. P
    4. G
    5. P
    6. G
    7. G
    8. G
    9. P
    10. G
    11. G
    12. P
    13. P
    14. G
    15. P, 10-6 (three knockdowns)

    141-141, draw. Of course you're not going to get a decision against a Mexican in Mexicali, so odd choice of a site for Grove's people. Little known was Paez, it seems.

    Paez is frustrating to watch for me, because he would only fight in spurts, much like Galindez. Makes judging his bouts a bit of a chore.

    Grove, for his part, showed excellent skills here, just so little power. Nice jab, nice hook off the jab, nice movement, just power was all he lacked. And physical strength I guess. Paez seemed tired by about the sixth round, and Grove the following round tested the waters inside and forced the challenger back to the ropes. They wisely decided that wasn't such a good idea and he boxed well from a distance in the eighth.

    The 15th round is the story. Huge 10-6 round with three knockdowns for Paez that pulled him just even on my card.
     
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    Stanley Christodoulou 148-138
    Ove Ovesen 149-139
    Fernando Viso 147-140
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    Round 1: Pedroza 10-9, clear.
    Round 2: McGuigan 10-9, clear.
    Round 3: Even 10-10, swing.
    Round 4: McGuigan 10-9, close.
    Round 5: Pedroza 10-9, close.
    Round 6: McGuigan, 10-9, close.
    Round 7: McGuigan 10-8, clear.
    Round 8: McGuigan 10-9, close.
    Round 9: Pedroza 10-9, swing.
    Round 10: McGuigan 10-9, close.
    Round 11: Pedroza 10-9, clear.
    Round 12: McGuigan 10-9, close.
    Round 13: McGuigan 10-9, swing.
    Round 14: McGuigan 10-9, clear.
    Round 15: McGuigan 10-9, clear.

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    There was a line from the commentary in the 9th, which was "Pedroza; one of the greatest featherweight fighters of all time... so what does that make McGuigan?" It makes him an animal, no doubt, bit it makes him an animal who had the fortune of fighting Pedroza in '85, not '82. Speaking off the ninth, I thought Pedroza won it quite handedly, aside from the last 3 seconds, but when he was rocked and Bazza followed up, the best shots were landed after the bell. So I didn't count them.

    Pedroza is like the stylistic love-child of Michael Spinks and Hilario Zapata, with a bag of dirty tricks thrown in. I love it! It's a testimony to his greatness that he could throw so many punches and use his legs so much at this stage of his career. If I was to compare McGuigan to somebody, it would possibly be Marco Antonio Barrera before the fights with Junior Jones.

    Yeah, awesome little fight this one. Great performance from McGuigan. Made sweeter by the respect given to, and from, both.

    An Irish Typhoon!
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    1967-06-15, Undisputed FW Title

    Round 1: Winstone 10-9, close.
    Round 2: Saldívar 10-9, close.
    Round 3: Saldívar 10-9, clear.
    Round 4: Saldívar 10-9, clear.
    Round 5: Winstone 10-9, close.
    Round 6: Winstone 10-9, clear.
    Round 7: Saldívar 10-9, clear.
    Round 8: Winstone 10-9, close.
    Round 9: Winstone 10-9, close.
    Round 10: Saldívar 10-9, swing.
    Round 11: Saldívar 10-9, clear.
    Round 12: Saldívar 10-9, clear.
    Round 13: Winstone 10-9, swing.
    Round 14: Saldívar 10-7, clear.
    Round 15: Saldívar 10-9, clear.

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    I know, I know it's late. I'll have the next one up today too.

    Scoring on a 10 point must (I've left school I ain't doing **** with decimals), I had it even after 10, with no doubt that Saldívar dominated the final 5. Clear win, should be controversy free.

    Shame, the gutsy Brit couldn't get it here, but it was an awesome fight where he showed off his elite skills and huge bollocks. Winstone had a typical upright, boxing stance, but was game to knuckle down and throw loads of shots. Hittable too. Really fun fighter. I hope he's proud of himself for coming back battling in the 15th. I would be.

    Saldívar showed just how good he was. Crafty technician, cut from the same cloth as Napoles', Tyson's, Gavilán's ect. an aggressive counter puncher to rival the best of them. His patience early on showed he liked to let the other guy lead and square up before bouncing on offence with odd-angled shots in abundance before settling back into his disruptive stance. Parrying and jabbing; he'd lure them in, enticing an attack, and then take it to them himself. A glorious demonstration of heart with smarts. He could lead on his own accord though, make no mistake. In fact, it was that which got the KDs here. Excellent shifting footwork too.
     
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