Fight of the Week #15: Mayweather Doubleheader (Castillo I and DLH)

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  1. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    So, this wider and clearer for Mayweather than I remembered it. Last time I watched this was on the night of the fight, nearly 12 years ago. It was 5 in the morning, I was supporting DLH and was desperate to see him give Floyd a kicking. It's possible all those factors made it a closer fight in my mind!

    This time, I saw May controlling the pace of the fight and DLH having his moments but generally trying to rush Floyd at the start of rounds before Mayweather reset the pace and owned rounds through superior ring generalship. First half of the fight was probably closer than the second half and I had Floyd up 5-1 after 6. Again, different to how I had it before.

    Oscar never took Floyd out of his rhythm and the last round flurry was too little, too late in my view.
     
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  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Lederman's scorecard is wacky. He gave round 5 of the Castillo fight to Castillo?
     
    mrkoolkevin, Feb 3, 2019
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  3. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don’t have my paper in front of me right now, but I think we were split on it so far? Memory from early this week was Mayweather doubles in punch stats 1-4 but in 5 Castillo outlander Mayweather something like 16-13....pretty close by stats and my eye, although I edged Mayweather. I do have it down as close.1 of the judges (Kam) also scored 5 for JLC, forvwhatever that is worth
     
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  4. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Round 6 was a Castillo round but I thought it was pretty close. Action like this can be tough to score. Mayweather lands clean head shots while back-pedaling (not arm punches but not a whole lot on them either) while Castillo lands some harder body punches and a few partially deflected head shots.
     
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  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I almost want to start a thread to see whether and how people actually score ring generalship but we might as well discuss it in one of these threads. Should the defensive fighter get the edge if he mostly maintains his preferred distance? Should the aggressor get the edge if he manages to back the other guy into the ropes, even if he doesn't land anything cleanly? Does the aggressor get any scoring credit for "forcing the pace" of the fight if he puts a lot of pressure on the other guy? If people take these things into consideration (I don't really), we would end up with far fewer even rounds...
     
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  6. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This would be good for this thread or a separate one. Ring generalship, defense and effective aggression along with clean punching. To me Castillo was certainly the aggressor as you allude to, whether it was effective aggression is the debate
     
    PhillyPhan69, Feb 3, 2019
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  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I think it was clearly effective aggression. He applied consistent pressure without getting reckless, he took Mayweather out of his comfort zone, and managed to maul and attack Mayweather when he had him on the ropes. Unless people see effective aggression as just a matter of clean punching (in which case, it's completely redundant).
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Lampley is really bad at telling when punches land cleanly and when they don't. Seems like a critical part of his job...

    https://streamable.com/j9yya
     
    mrkoolkevin, Feb 3, 2019
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  9. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lampley is clueless about boxing, and if his commentary isn't bad enough, he has to recite the "PunchStat" numbers repeatedly.
     
    Pat M, Feb 3, 2019
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  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    My card:
    R1: May
    R2: May
    R3: May
    R4: May
    R5: May
    R6: Castillo
    R7: Castillo
    R8: Castillo - deduction = Even (9-9)
    R9: May
    R10: Even - deduction = Castillo (10-9)
    R11: Even
    R12: Even

    Final: Mayweather 116 - 113

    Definitely not a robbery in my book, though I found the last 5 rounds pretty difficult to score. I'm surprised that everyone saw Round 12 as a clear Castillo round. Wasn't clear to me that he landed more meaningful punches than Mayweather.
     
    mrkoolkevin, Feb 3, 2019
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  11. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The one that surprises me is the split on rd 9 we seem divided on through this thread. I may need to rewatch, but I felt like that was JLC’s best of the fight? Oh well I guess that is what makes this fun is how we all see the same event yet interpret it differently
     
    PhillyPhan69, Feb 3, 2019
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  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    This is the type of exchange & commentary that lead casuals and noobs to think that guys like Maidana and Pacquiao really beat Mayweather.
     
    mrkoolkevin, Feb 3, 2019
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  13. greynotsoold

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    It has always amazed me that he sat ringside at so many fights and never managed to learn anything.
     
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  14. NoNeck

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    I don't think ring generalship matters much in scoring. The fighter who is being the ring general is generally going to land cleaner punches because it's their fight.
     
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  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He was probably even worse in the De La Hoya fight.
     
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