Fight of the Week #28: A Modern Day Mess.

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    No, not GGG vs Canelo.
    But Ward vs Kovalev 1 and SSR vs Roman Gonzalez. Let's see how they go

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  2. PhillyPhan69

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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Top man, Philly.
     
  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I’m out of town for a wedding so I don’t know if I will get to these but I will try!

    anyway here is my card from back in may

    as well as a link to my online card and some other people as well. 58% dispute the decision.

    https://eyeonthering.com/scorecards...re-ward-i-scorecard-phillyphan69#comment-form

    https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/pound-pound-sergey-kovalev-vs-andre-ward-i
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

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    Ward vs Kovalev 1
    Brilliant fight to watch, probably the best fight in a technical perspective from both sides since Del a Hoya vs Mosley.

    Kovalev was a menace here, Ward was a very savy operator who adjusted and showed heart and good chin. Both fighters have good ring IQ and have shown that they could manage distance very well.
    Ward had a worried look on his face all night and Kovalev seemed very calm throughout.

    1. Kovalev 10-9
    2. Kovalev 20-17 (Kovalev 10-8)
    3. Kovalev 30-26 (Kovalev 10-9)
    4. Kovalev 40-35 (Kovalev 10-9)
    5. Kovalev 49-45 (Ward 10-9) CLOSE
    6. Kovalev 58-55 (Ward 10-9) CLOSE
    7. Kovalev 68-64 (Kovalev 10-9) CLOSE
    8. Kovalev 78-73 (Kovalev 10-9) CLOSE
    9. Kovalev 87-83 (Ward 10-9)
    10. Kovalev 97-92 (Kovalev 10-9)
    11. Kovalev 106-102 (Ward 10-9) CLOSE
    12. Kovalev 115-112 (Ward 10-9)

    I can't see how Ward won, especially with the KD. There's just no way that he won 8 rounds imo
    There's a lot of close rounds but to give them all to Ward isn't really likely imo.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

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    Rewatched this one in bits so I didn't break it down like I did Ward vs Kova.

    1. SSR 10-8
    2. SSR 19-18 (Gonzalez 10-9)
    3. Even 28-28 (Gonzalez 10-9) CLOSE
    4. Gonzalez 38-37 (Gonzalez 10-9)
    5. Even 47-47 (SSR 10-9) CLOSE
    6. Gonzalez 57-55 (Gonzalez 10-9[-1]) CLOSE
    7. Gonzalez 67-64 (Gonzalez 10-9)
    8. Gonzalez 76-74 (SSR 10-9)
    9. Gonzalez 85-84 (SSR 10-9)
    10. Gonzalez 95-93 (Gonzalez 10-9)
    11. Gonzalez 104-103 (SSR 10-9)
    12. Even 113-113 (SSR 10-9) CLOSE

    Thanks @PhillyPhan69, my maths was wrong. Probably shouldn't rush these
     
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    Gonzalez vs Rungvisai

    R1 10-8 Runvisai SSR scored a knockdown with a body blow.
    R2 10-9 Gonzalez SSR throwing more. Gonzalez picking off shots with arms and gloves, landing more and better shots.
    R3 10-9 Gonzalez Clash of heads leading to a cut by Gonzalez' right eye. Gonzalez landing more and cleaner shots, catching a lot of SSR's punches on forearms and gloves.
    R4 10-9 Gonzalez More head clashing. SSR landing harder, going to the body, but Gonzalez landing more, landing more accurately, doing the cleaner work. SSR trys to bully Gonzalez around the ring with his strength, pushing Gonzalez to the ropes, but Gonzalez is taking little steps back and uppercutting SRR. SRR tries to lean on Gonzalez and smother his work, so Gonzalez moves laterally, side steps, dances around SRR hitting him from all angles, tattooing him in the last 30 seconds of the round.
    R5 10-9 Gonzalez SSR landing the harder bombs doing more damage the first two minutes but in the final minute it's all Gonzalez dancing around him throwing punch after unreturned punch.
    R6 10-8 Gonzalez This round was all Gonzalez bell to bell. First 30 seconds Gonzalez ducks or evades most shots leading into a headbutt. Then Gonzalez beats SSR around the ring with SSR occassionally trying to bull his way out by walking forward and pushing, but not doing anything offensively to score or do damage. Another headbutt at the end of the round and the referee takes a point from SSR.
    R7 10-9 Rungvisai I feel like giving a round to SSR since Roman didn't do as well this round and those heavy hands of SSRs ought to get some credit, even if they don't land very often. They are having an effect. Another headbutt.
    R8 10-9 Rungvisai I can't tell this round. Probably need to see it again. It seemed close. SSR lands harder and Gonzalez lands more and cleaner. SSR was bullying Gonzalez around for the first two minutes, grunting when he punches. Looked like he got in some good body punches.
    R9 10-9 Gonzalez Close. Gonzalez came forward the whole three minutes pushing SSR around the ring. SSR backed up and tried to fight in spots as Gonzalez came in at him. Gonzalez had to work harder, throwing more punches, being busier, but looking the more tired fighter. Nothing flashy or spectacular here. Roman's eye is bleeding bad down his cheek.
    R10 10-9 Gonzalez The first minute they had a good toe to toe exchange and Gonzalez seemed to get the better of it, but SSR got off some really good heavy shots. He's just getting outworked by Gonzalez, taking two to land one. The question is are his shots worth two of Gonzalez? Gonzalez is trying to smother him with output chasing him around the ring, clearly in command, but SSR seems fresher and doesn't give a **** about Gonzalez' shots. He's backing up setting traps and trying to land when Gonzalez comes in. He's having some success, just not a lot.
    R11 10-9 Gonzalez Gonzalez slowing now but still in control. SSR backing up. Not a lot landing since SSR is not accurate enough to hit Gonzalez and Gonzalez is too slow and weary to hit SSR. Gonzalez lands a few more punches, but it's not really much and SSR isn't bothered by them. Maybe, give the round to Gonzalez for ring generalship and dictating the terms of the fight.
    R12 10-9 Gonzalez Big Gonzalez round. SSR running and holding. Gonzalez landing at will. All action coming from Gonzalez.

    116-112 Gonzalez
     
  11. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    You should post your scorecards in the sticky, if you like. It's good to see someone actually score instead of blather and mentally masturbate.
     
  12. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Roman Chocolatito Gonzalez vs Srisaket Sor Rungvisai

    Choco SSR

    R1: 8 - 10
    (Roman's usual slow start costs him. SSR very effective here. Brilliant body shot)
    R2: 9 - 10
    (SSR a bit more active and effective. Roman picking up towards the end)
    R3: 10 - 9
    (Headbutt! Close round, with Roman being more accurate)
    R4: 10 - 9
    (Roman wins on activity rate. SSR getting more effective towards the end)
    R5: 9 - 10
    (SRR the ring general here. Roman landing less. Some sneaky thudding body shots from SRR piling up)
    R6: 10 - 8 (Point deduction)
    (SSR focused more on wearing Choco down than actually scoring here. Roman does the scoring instead)
    R7: 10 - 9
    (Close round. Lots of grazing shots. Roman a bit more accurate and landing more, and Rungvisai's superior generalship doesn't catch up)
    R8: 10 - 9
    (Very close)
    R9: 9 - 10
    (Wangek bulling Roman here. Controlling center ring and landing some thudding blows. Clear round)
    R10: 9 - 10
    (SSR just not affected by Roman. Sneaky, thudding shots and superior generalship)
    R11: 9 - 10
    (Roman not effective here. Neither landning much clean, but SSR is landing and controlling)
    R12: 10 - 9
    (Very close, but Wanek a bit too inactive for my liking. Roman was more accurate anfd active)

    TOTAL = 113 - 113 DRAW

    Notes:
    • Awful commentary. Kevin Kelley's scorecard is atrocious.
    • My score is different to when i first watched live.
    • SSR is a fighter in the mold of Venice Bhorkorsor or Khaosai Galaxy (this win is better than any of Galaxy's actually)
    • Roman is too small for 115. 108 was when he was in his absolute prime.
    • Lots of sneaky headbutts from Wangek lol. He is a very strong ring general tho.
     
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  13. PhillyPhan69

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    unless my math is bad...your scorecard is 116-110 which is among the widest cards I have seen in this fight. 2 10-8 rounds and no even rounds mean your total has to be 226 pts. Not 228. Not sure if you want to recount your card or if I am missing something?
     
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  14. PhillyPhan69

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    likewise unless my math is bad...you actually have a 113-113 draw. You only gave Gonzalez 9 pts to your total in rounds 2/6 even though you wrote he won those rounds: I could be missing something but that is what it looks like
     
  15. roughdiamond

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    @George Crowcroft stop writing your scorecards so weirdly!
     
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