Fight of the Week #28: A Modern Day Mess.

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  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As usual your math seems to be spot on! Sorry for being an anal math nerd!
     
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  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    He seems to have given points on the wrong side, you are right.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I did the 10-8 a 9-9
     
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  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I really don’t see this as controversial as some....close? Yes! Debatable? Perhaps! But unles punchsrats are the guide, I have trouble scoring this for Gonzalez. I can see a draw, but that is about it.

    To me this is really a fight of 3-5 rounds being the points of contention. Rounds 2-3-4-8-10 being the only disputable ones “in my eye/mind”. Of those close rounds I gave 2-8-10 to Rungvisai and 3-4 to Gonzalez.

    anyway my card
    1 Rungvisai 10-8
    2 Rungvisai (SSR 20-17)
    3 Gonzalez (SSR 29-27)
    4 Gonzalez (SSR 38-37)
    5 Gonzalez (Even 47-47)
    6 Gonzales 10-8 (RG 57-55)
    7 Rungvisai (RG 66-65)
    8 Rungvisai (Even 75-75)
    9 Rungvisai (SSR 85-84)
    10 Rungvisai (SSR (95-93)
    11 Rungvisai (SSR 105-102)
    12 Gonzalez (SSR 114-112)

    SSR 114-112 on my card
     
  5. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Taking a look at the judges + Harold Ledderman (who scored the fight 4 pts opposite of his daughter), Ledderman and the HBO team (who was not blatantly biased but did mentioned numerous times how little = 0 times they had watched Rungvisai...talk about good research for your on job performance, clearly were pushing for a Gonzalez victory by an even wider margin than Harold). Anyway let’s dissect the judges and Harold.

    Rounds
    1-7-9-11 all 4 for Rungvisai
    3-5-6-12 all for Gonzalez
    So they have a 4-4 Even fight in what were IMO pretty clear easy to score rounds.

    Here is where they disagree (these 4 rounds likely determine the outcome on most of our cards as well?)
    2 Everyone but Roldan for Rungvisai 3-1
    4 Everyone but Roldan for Gonzalez 3-1
    8 (perhaps the deciding round of the fight) Feldman/J. Ledderman for Rungvisai and Roldan/H Ledderman for Gonzalez 2-2
    10 Everyone but Harold for Rungsai 3-1

    taking Harold out of the mix the official judges agreed on:

    1-7-9-10-11 for Rungvisai
    3-5-6-12 for Gonzalez

    with only 3 rounds in debate
    2 Only Roldan scores for Gonzalez
    4 Only Roldan scores for Rungvisai
    8 Only Roldan scoring for Gonzalez

    Feldman and Julie for 114-112 Rungvisai
    Roldan 113-113
     
  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I had Ward beating Kovalev. Watched it again (not recently) and got the same thing.
     
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  7. PhillyPhan69

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    Ward vs Kovalev I

    another fight I don’t find as controversial as many, and agree with the judges over mass appeal ( I find it funny that Ward, Canelo, DLH, Floyd are among the most hated fighters around...yet people are supposedly unbiased when they score against them in every fight lol). Anyway let’s dissect the judges:

    Mc Kale, Clements, Trowbridge all score 114-113 Ward but take 4 different paths to arrive there. I do agree (largely) with their cards and the fact that I don’t see Kovalev winning a round after 6. Anyway onto the judges:

    They agree:
    1-2-4 for Kovalev
    7-8-9-10-11 for Ward
    Putting ward up 5-3 in rounds but only a pt. 76-75 on the cards.

    leaving 4 controversial rounds for them and perhaps most of us.

    3 all but Trowbridge for Kovalev (not sure how Trowbridge scored for Ward?)
    5 all but Trowbridge for Ward (not sure how Trowbridge scored for Kovalev)
    6 All but clements for Kovalev (not sure how he scored for Ward)
    12 all but clements for Ward (not sure how he scored for Kovalev)

    so in large I agree with the judges on the final card, but only with Mc Kale on the rounds scored to get there.
     
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  8. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Me too!
     
  9. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lol no biggie!

    but I do agree with @roughdiamond on your scorecard format. People have trouble following your card in other threads.

    try the round winner on the left and running total on the right! It is easier to understand for us common folk lol
     
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  10. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    C’mon classic forum you have 4 more days to get your scorecards in! Don’t be the guy who says so and so won without a card to back it up, or that counts punchstats like 1 particular classic forum poster (if you read this...you know who you are!!!)

    I will tabulate and contrast our cards on Friday to see if we have a consensus!!!!

    Cone join in the fun, and plead your case!
     
  11. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Round 1: SSR 10-8

    Round 2: SSR 10-9 (20-17)

    Round 3: 10-9 SSR (30-26) GREAT SLUGGING

    Round 4: 10-9 Roman (39-36) Roman kicked his ass

    Round 5: 10-9 Roman (48-46)

    Round 6: 10-9 Roman (57-56)

    Round 7: 10-9 SSR (67-65)

    Round 8: 10-9 SSR (77-74)

    Round 9: 10-9 Roman (86-84)

    Round 10: 10-9 SSR (96-93)

    Round 11: 10-9 SSR (106-102)

    Round 12: 10-9 Roman (115-112)

    115-112 for Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
     
  12. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Glad to see someone score 3 for Rungvisai, I thought that round was very close with Rungvisai taking the first 2 minutes and Gonzalez finishing strong. I marked that one as one of the tough rounds to score!
     
  13. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    It was incredibly tough to score

    So was round 6, I ended up making that a 10-10 and giving it to Chocolatito on the point deduction
     
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  14. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lol then ignore my follow up question above
     
  15. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Honestly the only rounds I'd call one sided are rounds 1 and 4. A very competitive battle which SSR won through activity and boxing skill in my eyes