FIGHT OF THE WEEK 4- Johnny Bratton vs Charley Fusari (70th Anniversary edition)

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  1. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I scored this one for Fusari 9-5-1 in rounds and 143-141 on a 10 point system. I gave Bratton 3,4,5(2),9,10(2), I gave Fusari 1,2,6,7,8,11,12,13,14, and 15 EVEN. Fusari was BUSY, I wouldn't be surprised if he threw over 100 punches a round, maybe even 2,000 for the 15 rounds.

    Fusari was an arm puncher. Lots of times he threw a right hand and didn't rotate/shift his weight at all. Bratton was faster, stronger, and hit harder, he had most of the advantages, but not as busy and at times looked overwhelmed by Fusari's aggressiveness. I was expecting Bratton to get some more knockdowns as the fight went on, but Fusari was a hard guy to fight. Fusari didn't cut the ring well, but maybe he didn't want to, Bratton could punch and if Fusari cut the ring he might have walked into something? I wasn't expecting Bratton to get the decision, maybe the judges gave more points for the knockdowns or maybe it just looked different from ringside.
     
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  2. Jel

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    Johnny Bratton v Charley Fusari

    RBR with notes and scoring summary:
    1 Even (cracking opener - could have gone either way)
    2 Fusari (more quality action. Fusari taking it to Bratton)
    3 Bratton
    4 Bratton (flash knockdown in a round Fusari was otherwise winning)
    5 Bratton (some good rights from Bratton)
    6 Bratton (some great action as Fusari battles back after taking some punishment from Bratton. Still Bratton's round though)
    7 Fusari (Fusari continues his strong end to the previous round by giving Bratton a beating)
    8 Fusari
    9 Bratton (good start from Fusari before Bratton lands some bombs - great action)
    10 Bratton (big right hand puts Fusari down hard and he barely makes the count. Bratton back in control)
    11 Fusari (close. Slower round which Fusari finishes stronger to take it)
    12 Fusari (similar to the previous round but Fusari clearly took it)
    13 Fusari (Fusari doing enough to take another round)
    14 Fusari (both fighters weary now but Fusari throwing more leather)
    15 Bratton (terrific final round action with Bratton finishing just the stronger)

    7-7 with 1 even

    What a great fight - this is definitely one that flew under my radar but I decided to dedicate some time to the 50s welterweight era because it had some fantastic champions, contenders and fights. But I didn't realise that this fight was so good.

    This was close and the scoring system you choose could have a significant outcome on who was the winner. I didn't attempt the 150 point scoring system because I couldn't work it out. I generally score on a 10 point must so have tallies here for both RBR (above) and 10 point must - based on that I have it either a draw in rounds or a narrow points win for Bratton, courtesy of the knockdowns in round 4 and round 10. I scored round 4 10-9 only to Bratton as I felt Fusari was winning and it was such a quick flash knockdown that it seemed harsh on Fusari to make it a 2 point margin to Bratton. Round 10 though was a definite 10-8. That brought my overall total to 143-142 in Bratton's favour.
     
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  3. PhillyPhan69

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    Ok I am really struggling with how to score this fight, but might as well have fun with it.

    my feeble attempt at using the scoring system in place leads to a 76-74 victory for Bratton

    RBR leads to 7-6-2 Fusari

    10 pt must leads to 143-142 Bratton

    I can see why this was a SD and it is a fun, closely contested fight that can be viewed a lot of ways. Fusari is a little crude/wild but has a high work rate, forces the action, but not necessarily a strong puncher. Bratton has a strong jab (converted southpaw...they called it reformed lol), better fundamentals but struggled to keep Fusari out of close quarters and landed perhaps the cleaner harder punches and of course scoring 2 KD’s helps a lot along the way.

    @Jel I agree about the 2 KD rounds. The 4th you could argue scoring 10-9 like you did, but I also think my 10-8 is also fair and reasonable. My thought or question on the 2nd KD in the 10th is it looked like the ref counted to 10 while Fusari was still in the knee position. Not sure if the sound was synced? (It seemed to be), but no one complained about it so I guess it must have been fine? Either way this was a fun fight and a great opportunity to go in a time machine to the 50’s!

    RBR
    1 Fusari
    2 Fusari
    3 Bratton
    4 Bratton (KD)
    5 Bratton
    6 Bratton
    7 Fusari
    8 Fusari
    9 Fusari
    10 Bratton (KD)
    11 DRAW
    12 Bratton
    13 DRAW
    14 Fusari
    15 Fusari

    Bratton 76-74
    Bratton 144-143
    Fusari 7-6-2

    I also felt like 7-8 rounds could be awarded to either guy based upon what you and/or the judges prefer
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    First of, thanks to @PhillyPhan69 and @Jel for putting this on our radar. I have seen this fight out there for awhile but never bothered to check it out. My bad! I thought this was a terrific contest.

    First of all, the scoring. I always stick to scoring with the system used. Whether it be the NY system of a rounds basis, the California 1 point a round, 0 for even, etc., the Australian system of the 50s, 5 point, British, 5 point or 10 point. It is the system in place which can reflect how the judges see a fight. However, I will be honest that I just don't have a handle on the Illinois system. I also have seen this system used in a number of Charley Riley fights that I viewed that took place in Missouri. So maybe this was a Midwest thing, I just don't know and it could be a case of being wildly liberal with points. So rather than score it wrong, I will simply go with a rounds basis and a 10 point like most of you guys are doing. Here we go.

    Johnny Bratton v Charley Fusari (vacant welterweight title)

    Round 1: Fusari
    Round 2: Fusari
    Round 3: Bratton
    Round 4: Bratton (scores a knockdown)
    Round 5: Even
    Round 6: Bratton
    Round 7: Fusari
    Round 8: Fusari
    Round 9: Bratton
    Round 10: Bratton (scores a knockdown)
    Round 11: Fusari
    Round 12: Fusari
    Round 13: Fusari
    Round 14: Fusari
    Round 15: Even

    Total: 8-5-2 Fusari in rounds, 143-142 Fusari on 10 point must, or 68-67 Fusari on 5 point must - all which are inaccurate with the scoring method used. (Actual scores: 77-73 and 78-72 both for Bratton and a 76-74 for Fusari)

    To begin, for some reason - going into this fight - I thought Fusari was more boxer and Bratton was a busy type fighter. Neither was correct. Bratton was a type of lazy fighter who seemed to fight only in spurts. On my card he let this fight get away from him. When he did fight, he was sharp as hell. Fusari on the other hand, was constantly plugging away with clubbing - not hard - shots and never let up. I made notes about round 4 & 5 that I would have given the 4th to Fusari if not for the knockdown and in the 5th he caught Fusari twice with a couple of zingers then went into La-La land and Fusari carried the freight most of the round. I also made notes that rounds 11-14 that Fusari was unspectacular, yet was the only one doing the fighting. It was there after 10 rounds for Bratton to take and I felt he did little. Bratton came alive a bit in the 15th to make it a good round, but again, only in spurts and I again felt Fusari's dogged effort evened that round. A very close fight and a different scoring system might change my card, but it is what it is. An excellent fight, guys.
     
  5. PhillyPhan69

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    the scoring system I hate the most is RBR 1 pt because it does not reward KD’s or extremely lopsided rounds...but my least favorite use is the British fraction system (not sure of official name) used during Frazier vs Bugner and others. The last thing I want to do during tabulating a card is confuse myself with fractions lol.
    • British referee Harry Gibbs, the only official, scored it 59¼ points for Frazier and 58½ for Bugner. Under the British scoring system, the winner of a round receives 5 points and the loser 4¾.
     
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  6. PhillyPhan69

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    If you are looking for new/old fight to watch this one is well worth your time!
     
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  7. PhillyPhan69

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    Still got 2 more days to get your scorecards in for this one. If you have not seen it, it is worth checking out even if you don’t feel like scoring it,
     
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  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I concur. I really enjoyed this fight.
     
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  9. Jel

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    It's a great fight. Whoever recommended this really knows his ****.
     
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  10. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well this was a difficult fight to score, although we agreed by consensus in many rounds. The tricky part in scoring is the 150 pt system which none of us really understood nor used in our results. I wonder if 5/10 were scored 7-3 or 8-2? Either way it seems 10 total points per round to be awarded however the judge felt? I kind of like this scoring system if I understand it?

    either way thanks to all who joined in and submitted cards. I won’t tally them accurately since we seem not to understand the official system in place.

    all 5 of us awarded Fusari by virtue of rounds. Most seem to award a draw or Bratton by 10 point must depending on if you scored 5 10-8 or 10-9 as Jel suggests (certainly defendable either way IMO).

    Fusari cards
    @Jason Thomas 7-6-2
    @Pat M 9-5-1
    @Jel 7-7-1
    @PhillyPhan69 7-6-2
    @scartissue 8-5-2

    RBR
    1 Fusari 4-0-1
    2 Fusari 5-0
    3 Bratton 5-0
    4 Bratton 5-0
    5 Bratton 4-0-1
    6 Bratton 3-1-1
    7 Fusari 5-0
    8 Fusari 4-0-1
    9 Bratton 4-1
    10 Bratton 5-0
    11 Fusari 4-0-1
    12 Fusari 4-1
    13 Fusari 4-0-1
    14 Fusari 5-0
    15 Bratton 2-1-2

    Fusari 8-7 on rounds (Draw or Bratton likely on the 10 point must or 150 pt system)
    Probably a draw (If you score 5 10-9) probably a Bratton decision if you scored 5-10 10-8 rounds. A split decision or a draw seems a fair verdict.

    Pat M had the wide card Jel had the close 7-7-1 card with Jason, Philly and scar in the middle. Good fight guys! Thanks for watching, discussing and scoring!

    shout out to Jel for sharing this hidden gem with us! Let me know if you guys have some closet classics like this to add in from time to time.
     
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  11. Jel

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    Thanks as ever @PhillyPhan69 for your round up and I'll be on the lookout for more lesser known gems. I like the anniversary theme as well so will be looking for fights that work with that too.
     
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