FIGHT OF THE WEEK #5- Pinklon Thomas vs Trevor Berbick (35th Anniversary edition)

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  1. PhillyPhan69

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    Well we are back for the 5th installment of Fight of the week, where we review, rescore and remember some historic fights of the past. We have looked at MW, SBW, HW and WW this week we take another trip to the HW division, so far we have traveled to 1989, 2008, 1971, and 1951 this week we travel back to 1986, 35 years ago!

    Pinklon Thomas was a 7-1 favorite over Trevor Berbick and many (another post later on in the thread) expected him to make short work of the inconsistent Berbick. What ensued was a hard fought, hard hitting battle between the 2 men. This would be the first fight of an elimination series that Don King was calling “The Heavyweight World Series”. This series would ultimately end up with Iron Mike Tyson emerging as the unified champion. While Tyson would go on to beat both Berbick and Thomas, this was the fight that began it it all!

    Take a trip down memory lane this week as we take a fresh look at a sometimes forgotten fight. Get your scorecards out and give your verdict, share some thoughts on the infight action, or share some memories from the fight for those who lived during this era. If anyone watched it live in person or on TV I would love to hear your stories!

    So let’s get it on, here is Pinklon Thomas vs Trevor Berbick March 22, 1986!

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  2. George Crowcroft

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    Here's how I had it.
     
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    You gotta love the Bravado of Pinklon:

    I'll start proving myself by knocking out Berbick by the sixth round," said Thomas, 29, who is 26-0-1 with 21 KOs. "Then I'll wither the Spoon, take the jinx out of Spinks and send Larry home."
     
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    March 21st-27th is a funny week in boxing history in that there aren't that many out and out classics (at least, not on film) that happened.

    I don't think I've watched this before (heavyweight being a division I tend to not spend that much time on) so looking forward to it.
     
  7. PhillyPhan69

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    I envy you guys that got to see this. Who were you picking? Did you watch it live? And if so where did you watch it at?

    unfortunately I remember the build up and like most i expected Pinklon to win in short fashion. But this is a fight I have never seen, and this FOTW will actually be my first. I do remember listening to it on the radio. This was 2 or 3 years before I got cable and way before YouTube. I was working night shift at The Factory, Progresso Soup (better than campbells is my short commercial). I worked in Quality Control so had much more freedom of movement than general labor (thankful, not boasting). My boss and I got on well and were both (most of the guys still were back in the 80’s) were boxing fans. So we did our checks early and then gathered in our lab, to listen on the radio (can’t remember how many years since boxing has been on the radio near me), and we were back and forth every few minutes so missed rounds etc. but I remember being surprised that Berbick won. Hopefully some of you guys watched it....
     
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  8. PhillyPhan69

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    I am sure there are more than you and I can think of off the top of our little heads. But I have made that my personal goal to make a list of all the fights I have seen that have readily available opportunities to rewatch, as well as the fights I want to see that are available as well and catalog them by month...I am a nerd and have way to much time on my hands. But there are a few. I came down to this and Emile Griffith vs Luis Rodriguez 2.
     
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  9. Jel

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    I'm glad you chose this as the Griffith-Rodriguez series is my personal bete-noire (although I think the 2nd fight is probably the best of the series).
     
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    lol, yeah me too although it has been a while (intentionally). I figured if I was gonna rewatch one I guess it would be the 2nd...maybe another time lol
     
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  11. PhillyPhan69

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    It’s a good week to remember Harold Ledderman as well:

    Lederman’s arrival to premium cable came shortly before Lampley, when he called then-HBO executive Ross Greenburg in early 1986 after watching a broadcast whose commentary veered wildly from the final result. He floated the idea of adding a pair of licensed scoring eyes to the announce team to interpret rules and decode judging mysteries.

    Greenburg invited him to help with coverage of a match between Pinklon Thomas and Trevor Berbick a few weeks later, though Lederman told me a few years back that the fight-week perception of Thomas as an easy winner convinced him the stint would be a short one.

    “I said to my wife, ‘Pinklon Thomas is a 7-to-1 favorite. What's gonna happen is I'm gonna go to Las Vegas, Thomas is going to belt this guy out in the first round and my career on HBO is gonna be abruptly over,’” he said. “Little did I know that Trevor Berbick hired the very famous trainer, Eddie Futch, to train him, and that's the only fight that Eddie Futch ever trained Trevor
    So anyway, Trevor Berbick wound up winning the unanimous decision, HBO liked what I had to say and they've been asking me back ever since. Every time I used to run into Eddie Futch, I would say, ‘Hey Eddie, you're responsible for my career on HBO. If it wasn't for you training Berbick, I would've never been on HBO.’ He used to get a big kick out of that.”

    Thanks to the upset, he became a fixture.

    link:

    https://www.*******.com/saying-goodbye-harold-lederman--138990
     
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    Good selection for FOTW, but my scoring on this one is almost embarrassing....I thought it was a close fight, almost every round could have gone either way and I marked my scorecard thinking it was going to be close. Then I looked at my scorecard and I had scored 119-111 for Berbeck. I only scored round 2 for PT, I scored 3 and 6 EVEN, and I scored the rest for Berbeck. I was surprised because to me it was a close fight. Probably the only round of the fight that I thought Berbeck won clearly was round 9 because of the jab, cross, hook combination that all landed clean. Thomas, as he did in the Weaver fight took all of them and didn't even blink.

    I've never seen a fighter get hit as clean as Thomas did by Weaver (big puncher) and Berbeck and take them so well. Thomas also has a nice jab, but in this one he seemed to lean into the jabs with his upper body more than slide his left foot forward with the jab. I don't remember him doing that against Weaver. Maybe he was distracted in his training leading up to the fight like the announcers speculated? Berbeck looked better than I ever remember him looking, but I haven't seen any of his other fights in a long time. Anyway, my scorecard is strange, I scored a fight that I thought had been close and could go either way, 9-1-2 in favor of one of the fighters.
     
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    Pinklon Thomas v Trevor Berbick

    Round 1: 10-9 Berbick
    Round 2: 10-9 Thomas
    Round 3: 10-9 Thomas
    Round 4: 10-9 Berbick
    Round 5: 10-10 Even
    Round 6: 10-9 Thomas
    Round 7: 10-9 Berbick
    Round 8: 10-9 Berbick
    Round 9: 10-9 Berbick
    Round 10: 10-9 Berbick
    Round 11: 10-9 Berbick
    Round 12: 10-10 Even

    Total: 117-113 Berbick (actual scores: 115-113, 115-113 and 115-114 all for Berbick)

    I agree with @Pat M that it can be a bit strange because so many rounds were close until you look at your scores. I feel the Thomas jab was the thing putting us off a bit because, although he landed it in ones, it was a hard jab and it can throw you off on your assessment. Berbick was landing the eycatchers but that thudding jab kept every round close. Still, a deserving win for Berbick.
     
  14. Saintpat

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    While I remember the fight being closer (haven’t seen it for a while, if I get a chance I will rewatch and score) your scoring in what you though was a close fight brings up a point many overlook: A very competitive, close fight can be legitimately scored as a shutout.

    A judge is supposed to score every round as a unit unto itself. If Fighter A edges every round in a judge’s estimation, he should give that fighter every round even if Fighter B is oh-so-close to winning each round. What a judge is NOT supposed to do is score one round based on how he/she scored earlier rounds — not say ‘well these rounds are very close and I gave the first four to Fighter A, so I should even that out and give the next several close rounds to Fighter B.
     
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  15. PhillyPhan69

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    I am hoping to sit down to watch this one tonight with a big cup of coffee and a fat cigar. Appreciate both of your cards. I find it interesting that both of your cards are wider than the judges, and that you both felt it was close. I am also surprised there is no conflict over this fight (I’ve never seen it so I have no agenda), generally when you find judges scoring 1 rd day deference on all the cards there is usually at least a ripple of controversy. I have yet to see someone say Thomas should have won...I hope I am not the first lol.
     
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