Fighters getting "old overnight"

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but waht you have to point out is the performances before these fights. rjj,tyson,srl all looked like crap prior to their losses. now heres a question, the same dlh that took mayweather to a SD, how do you think that dlh would have fared vs. pac

 

vargas fell off due to punishment. as for dlh/mayweather, the speed difference was clear. had mayweather been more agressive, the fight wouldnt have been that close. imo, that dlh was still lose to pac-man becuase pac would still present the same problems for him. as for other sports, thats all subjective. you're talking about different sports. in those sports stuff like free agency, injuries, schedule ect. all play factors in how a team fairs year to year.

 

Oh **** De la Hoya is now shot! 2 days ago he was gonna KTFO Pac in 1 round!!!! OMFG!

tsk tsk tsk tsk....

 

I disagree with Tszyu though. The fight with Hatton was very close and Hatton was in his prime and very pumped up for this fight.

 

"Old overnight" is a bullsh*t concept people use to revise the truth. Everyone saw what the fighter has coming into the fight. That doesn't somehow "change" just because the fighter doesn't fulfill expectations.

Why not just say that every fighter who gets upset is "old overnight"?

 

most of the time the fighters getting "old overnight" is an excuse just like the "that punch would have KOed anyone" excuse we often hear on here. People said Bhop had got "old overnight" in the Calzaghe fight but the Pavlik fight proved that wrong. It is mostly excuses from the losing fighter fan(s).

 

In some cases it is true, but in others it is fact. We only have history to prove this. And B-Hop didn't look shot against Cal, he couldn't keep up. He wasn't prime, but he still was good. Pavlik didn't have the necessary speed and movement to befuddle B-Hops or really get to him. That was his problem.

You don't know how it is to get Knocked out, or to reach a certain age and not have your body move when you want it. Think of Shane Mosley. This guy was a offensive power house, lot of punches in bunches -- that was really his defense his spectacular offensive. When he fought Forrest in the beginning he was doing his combos and everything, then in the second round when he got caught by that uppercut he never saw that followed after Forrest right hand it messed up his nervous system, imo. After that Shane never again throw his combos like he once did, he only throw mostly one shot, or 2 at a time when before it was a bunch of combos from different angles. And I don't buy the **** that he is afriad to let his hands go "mentally" its more of a instinctive thing now, dealing with what his body just won't allow. If he was afraid to get punch he wouldn't be boxing or he would be running all around the ring. The fact is his body just would not longer respond like it did, even if mentally he wanted to.

Oscar had a tough opponent in front of him in Pac. But he could not throw punches, he probably wanted to, but he couldn't. And he wasn't scared, because the guy was getting hit anyways. His body just wasn't responding, and it had to do with Pac's style, but also because he was past it. Yes and this even is true for your BOY, Glass Jaw Jones.

Not everyone is like B-Hop, you can't compare fighters in that manner. B-Hop is quite an exception to the rule.

 

Donald Curry became shot overnight..... In 1986, Curry and Marvin Hagler were the two top dogs in the game.. But after Curry flopped against Lloyd Honeyghan in Sept. of '86 on HBO, the walls came crashing down..... I thought Donald Curry looked like spit against Giafrnaco Rosi in his title winning fight at 154 in 1988.... Then came the loss to Rene Jaquot in 1989......

Harry Arroyo became a shot fighter after losing his IBF 135 lb. title to Jimmy Paul in 1985...

Johnny Bumphus was shot after getting stopped by Gene Hatcher in 1984...

John Mugabi was ruined by Hagler and Duane Thomas in 1986.... Beating Rene Jaquot in 1989 at 154 for the WBC title proved nothing to me.... Mugabi was then wasted by Terry Norris in 1990.....

Razor Ruddock fought as if he were shot after being KO'd by Lenny Lewis in 1992...

MR.BILL

 

DLH proved to be completely SHOT.{he is 35 years old, was PART SHOT when he fought Forbes in his last fight, he is completely SHOT now}
1} DLH should not fight again.
2} If DLH has another fight and it is against somebody inside the top 30 of the weight division, DLH will lose ? {unless he can find somebody as old and shot as himself ?}
PS Fighters do get old overnight {one fight there are tell tale signs the next fight,
6 months later they have become a 'shell' }

 

Fact: Your proof for Oscar being "shot" before the fight started is Freddie Roach's opinion. I can see how in the wake of being one of the few humans on earth who correctly believed that Manny would score a KO you may want to brand Freddie clairvoyant, but this was simply his opinion. It only started looking like a fact after Manny had taxed that ass for 24 mintues. Doesn't Manny have a little more to do with that than Freddie's thoughts?

If Oscar was a shot fighter, Two Pounds would have beaten him or been shafted with a garbage decision. That he did as well as he did was a clue that Oscar was declining, but what sped up the normal decline of age into the look of a shot fighter was Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Calzaghe over Jones.

Byrd WAS shot, and had been for some time. His case doesn't apply here.

 

You obviously had not seen most Dela Hoya fights even when he was prime. Hoya fights flat-footed, almost robotic actually. He has fast hands but does not have very good foot movement nor head movement. No lateral movement to speak of. Shoulder rolls is not part of his repertoire. He has a very good stiff jab and a mean left hook-almost an uppercut and he tends to chase opponents with small tiptoing motion, not bouncy small, lateral steps. He needs to set squarely in order to throw something and so when he is cowering, he just can't throw a punch as most of the people is asking why he had not done in this fight when he was being pummeled.

Oscar looks good against Tito or hopkins and even mayweather who are in your face fighters. But Pac is a in-then out fighter who throws punches at weird angle, he was a sitting duck.

 

The "Shot Excuse"
Most of the people were only giving Pac 0-25% chance of winning against Hoya.